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  • Let’s not slip, folks!

    Just a reminder - the arrival of someone some of you obviously consider beloved does not change what we’re trying to accomplish here (that is, keep this subforum open). I’ll just reiterate to have discussions without personal attacks.

    nyuk, this applies to you, as well. Prior to your arrival, we discussed that the only way things work here is if we avoid some of the dynamics found in the Mane’s WRP sub - especially over the past few years. Based on the little I’ve seen over the past few days, there is work that needs to be done on both sides.

    Even in a topic as charged as abortion, we simply have to find a way to have discussions without setting fire to the building (or, in this case, the forum) in which the discussion is taking place. Everyone please dial it back a bit.

    This thread is a good place for a refresher. Also, this one.

    Thanks in advance - to all of you.

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    Better listen to some DMX.


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    • #3
      Well cool then.

      It's kind of flattering you mentioned me specifically.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by nyuknyuk View Post
        Well cool then.

        It's kind of flattering you mentioned me specifically.
        Proud to let one rip in the elevator too, no doubt.

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        • nyuknyuk
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          Nah, I have manners. I prefer the SBD.

      • #5
        Originally posted by nyuknyuk View Post
        Well cool then.

        It's kind of flattering you mentioned me specifically.
        Right. I get personally attacked daily. I know you do as well.

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        • #6
          Originally posted by DomCasual View Post
          ...we simply have to find a way to have discussions without setting fire to the building (or, in this case, the forum) in which the discussion is taking place.

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          • #7
            Originally posted by W*GS View Post

            Proud to let one rip in the elevator too, no doubt.
            There’s your problem right there Dom.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

              There’s your problem right there Dom.
              Yep

              a guy who has no problem saying “**** Christian’s” on here multiple times while knowing full well that people who are christian post here

              Always angry

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              • #9
                Originally posted by nyuknyuk View Post
                Well cool then.

                It's kind of flattering you mentioned me specifically.
                Well, in fairness, you are the most recent lightning rod.

                I am trying to be realistic about this place. I think it's a little ridiculous that so many people seem to find it impossible to discuss politics in our society without resorting to insults. But it's current reality. I think most posters who come here for the Broncos might make a detour over here, realize that it's not their ball of wax, and stick with talking about the Broncos.

                The thing is that it's not as one-sided as some of you make it seem. Some posters are just overt name-callers, insulters, etc. Others simply politely say things that they know are going to cause controversy. Is one of those groups more guilty of the hostility than the other?

                The strategy to make this place work (in my opinion) is to 1) have a thick skin, and 2) use the ignore feature. I know that is not perfect - even when a person is on ignore, you can see their posts when they are quoted by someone. But I guess I don't see that as that big of a problem. I don't really care too much if someone I have on ignore is upset about something I said - especially knowing that it was never intended for them, to begin with.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

                  Well, in fairness, you are the most recent lightning rod.

                  I am trying to be realistic about this place. I think it's a little ridiculous that so many people seem to find it impossible to discuss politics in our society without resorting to insults. But it's current reality. I think most posters who come here for the Broncos might make a detour over here, realize that it's not their ball of wax, and stick with talking about the Broncos.

                  The thing is that it's not as one-sided as some of you make it seem. Some posters are just overt name-callers, insulters, etc. Others simply politely say things that they know are going to cause controversy. Is one of those groups more guilty of the hostility than the other?

                  The strategy to make this place work (in my opinion) is to 1) have a thick skin, and 2) use the ignore feature. I know that is not perfect - even when a person is on ignore, you can see their posts when they are quoted by someone. But I guess I don't see that as that big of a problem. I don't really care too much if someone I have on ignore is upset about something I said - especially knowing that it was never intended for them, to begin with.
                  That's because the existence of this nation has not been in this much danger since about 1860. The polarization is civil war level. Throw in climate change and you're basically talking about survival issues. If you're not emotionally invested in what's going on right now, you don't know what's going on.

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                    Political cultism on steroids.

                • #11
                  Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

                  Well, in fairness, you are the most recent lightning rod.

                  I am trying to be realistic about this place. I think it's a little ridiculous that so many people seem to find it impossible to discuss politics in our society without resorting to insults. But it's current reality. I think most posters who come here for the Broncos might make a detour over here, realize that it's not their ball of wax, and stick with talking about the Broncos.

                  The thing is that it's not as one-sided as some of you make it seem. Some posters are just overt name-callers, insulters, etc. Others simply politely say things that they know are going to cause controversy. Is one of those groups more guilty of the hostility than the other?

                  The strategy to make this place work (in my opinion) is to 1) have a thick skin, and 2) use the ignore feature. I know that is not perfect - even when a person is on ignore, you can see their posts when they are quoted by someone. But I guess I don't see that as that big of a problem. I don't really care too much if someone I have on ignore is upset about something I said - especially knowing that it was never intended for them, to begin with.
                  I often find myself bewildered by the behavior here. Follow the COC, and be respectful of others points of view. People make things so difficult, SMH.

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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by Roh View Post

                    That's because the existence of this nation has not been in this much danger since about 1860. The polarization is civil war level. Throw in climate change and you're basically talking about survival issues. If you're not emotionally invested in what's going on right now, you don't know what's going on.
                    I guess I see "emotionally invested" as being different than "start, raving mad." Nobody listens to each other when they're yelling at each other. And none of our current problems will be solved by the strategies of either extreme. They are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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                    • nyuknyuk
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                      The solution is often seen as conformity to a partisan position rather than free inquiry and open dialogue.

                  • #13
                    Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

                    Well, in fairness, you are the most recent lightning rod.
                    I've been in several places.

                    The thing is that it's not as one-sided as some of you make it seem. Some posters are just overt name-callers, insulters, etc. Others simply politely say things that they know are going to cause controversy. Is one of those groups more guilty of the hostility than the other?.
                    At the old forum I actually said controversial things politely and kept getting attacked with salvos of overt insults so after a while took the gloves off. I won't be doing that here, though.

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

                      I guess I see "emotionally invested" as being different than "start, raving mad." Nobody listens to each other when they're yelling at each other. And none of our current problems will be solved by the strategies of either extreme. They are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
                      I don't know if there is a solution. And if there is, given the level of polarization, I can't imagine how the solution could be applied. As far as argumentation on here goes, I post an argument about some topic and the usual response is, "Your argument does not exist, now as I was saying..." I agree with you, though. I'm loading up my ignore basket. Too much trolling.

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                      • #15
                        Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                        I often find myself bewildered by the behavior here. Follow the COC, and be respectful of others points of view. People make things so difficult, SMH.
                        🤣 that’s rich coming from you

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                        • #16
                          Originally posted by nyuknyuk View Post

                          I've been in several places.



                          At the old forum I actually said controversial things politely and kept getting attacked with salvos of overt insults so after a while took the gloves off. I won't be doing that here, though.
                          What is not understood is that the left here outnumbers the right 5-1. It can be like getting pelted by rocks and there are some very intentional personal attacks.

                          If you have a certain point of view I don’t think that makes it okay for things that go beyond debate. I am glad for the No family smack rule.

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                          • #17
                            Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

                            What is not understood is that the left here outnumbers the right 5-1. It can be like getting pelted by rocks and there are some very intentional personal attacks.

                            If you have a certain point of view I don’t think that makes it okay for things that go beyond debate. I am glad for the No family smack rule.
                            Please. You called me a "baby killer" (among other things). Enough with the innocent holier-than-thou crap.

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                            • #18
                              Originally posted by Roh View Post

                              Please. You called me a "baby killer" (among other things). Enough with the innocent holier-than-thou crap.
                              My response to you talking about Covid death and you saying ‘What the hell is wrong with you’.

                              I will amend my statement to ‘very fervent supporter of extinguishing the heartbeat of the fruit of the mothers womb, aka baby’.

                              There. Now you can rephrase and we will move on.

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                              • #19
                                Just a tiny little observation -- if one made the choice to stick to the usernames each poster has chosen, then conversations here might retain a bit more civility. Plus, when the topics are politics and religion, it is not realistic to expect that everyone is always going to see eye-to-eye or that no exchanges will ever become hostile. It will happen. However, as Dom noted, the ignore feature, while not perfect by any means, can assist at those times when one finds others' opinions to be -- insufferable.

                                The bottom line is -- a lot of us enjoy this subforum and the best way to ensure its survival is to minimize hostile interactions using whatever means works for each individual. It may feel good "in the heat of the moment" to call someone a dumbass -- but they're pretty likely to retaliate and then things can escalate. It's nipped in the bud if the first insult isn't lobbed.

                                Carry on...

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                                • #20
                                  Originally posted by Blueflame View Post
                                  Just a tiny little observation -- if one made the choice to stick to the usernames each poster has chosen, then conversations here might retain a bit more civility. Plus, when the topics are politics and religion, it is not realistic to expect that everyone is always going to see eye-to-eye or that no exchanges will ever become hostile. It will happen. However, as Dom noted, the ignore feature, while not perfect by any means, can assist at those times when one finds others' opinions to be -- insufferable.

                                  The bottom line is -- a lot of us enjoy this subforum and the best way to ensure its survival is to minimize hostile interactions using whatever means works for each individual. It may feel good "in the heat of the moment" to call someone a dumbass -- but they're pretty likely to retaliate and then things can escalate. It's nipped in the bud if the first insult isn't lobbed.

                                  Carry on...
                                  I respect and appreciate you both. You do lead by that example.

                                  Dom is very Elon Musk-like. Maybe if Musk backs out it will be Dom 😉

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                                  • #21
                                    Originally posted by Blueflame View Post
                                    Just a tiny little observation -- if one made the choice to stick to the usernames each poster has chosen, then conversations here might retain a bit more civility. Plus, when the topics are politics and religion, it is not realistic to expect that everyone is always going to see eye-to-eye or that no exchanges will ever become hostile. It will happen. However, as Dom noted, the ignore feature, while not perfect by any means, can assist at those times when one finds others' opinions to be -- insufferable.

                                    The bottom line is -- a lot of us enjoy this subforum and the best way to ensure its survival is to minimize hostile interactions using whatever means works for each individual. It may feel good "in the heat of the moment" to call someone a dumbass -- but they're pretty likely to retaliate and then things can escalate. It's nipped in the bud if the first insult isn't lobbed.

                                    Carry on...
                                    I agree the username shuffle only adds to the rancor… it’s hard to see!

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                                    • #22
                                      Originally posted by Roh View Post

                                      I don't know if there is a solution. And if there is, given the level of polarization, I can't imagine how the solution could be applied. As far as argumentation on here goes, I post an argument about some topic and the usual response is, "Your argument does not exist, now as I was saying..." I agree with you, though. I'm loading up my ignore basket. Too much trolling.
                                      I agree that I don't know that there is a solution. I actually cannot imagine what it would be. It feels as if the pressure is building in a manner that is not sustainable. So, either there is a single event that releases it (yikes), or things just cool down over time.

                                      But I'd argue that there isn't a side with a monopoly on the craziness.

                                      My thing is this. I want to be better. I sincerely believe that I am a better person today than I was when I was 20, or 30, or 40. Like most people, I can look back and see the work I've put into it, and that is satisfying.

                                      And by "better," I mean kinder, more compassionate, more aware/educated about how others believe, etc. If the world crashes down at some point, I will hopefully know that I lived my life the best way I could.

                                      I'm sure there are some who will take that as pious, or self-righteous. That's fine. I don't mean it to be. Because I say it with only me in mind.

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                                      • #23
                                        Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

                                        I respect and appreciate you both. You do lead by that example.

                                        Dom is very Elon Musk-like. Maybe if Musk backs out it will be Dom 😉
                                        I just need the $100 billion, and I'm on my way.

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                                        • #24
                                          Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

                                          I just need the $100 billion, and I'm on my way.
                                          You are there 💯

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                                          • #25
                                            Originally posted by Blueflame View Post
                                            Just a tiny little observation -- if one made the choice to stick to the usernames each poster has chosen, then conversations here might retain a bit more civility. Plus, when the topics are politics and religion, it is not realistic to expect that everyone is always going to see eye-to-eye or that no exchanges will ever become hostile. It will happen. However, as Dom noted, the ignore feature, while not perfect by any means, can assist at those times when one finds others' opinions to be -- insufferable.

                                            The bottom line is -- a lot of us enjoy this subforum and the best way to ensure its survival is to minimize hostile interactions using whatever means works for each individual. It may feel good "in the heat of the moment" to call someone a dumbass -- but they're pretty likely to retaliate and then things can escalate. It's nipped in the bud if the first insult isn't lobbed.

                                            Carry on...
                                            The bolded is the thing. I consider many - perhaps most - of you my friends. It's not exactly a traditional friendship. But it has most of the elements that are important to me, in a friendship. And when I say "many/most of you," I mean it. Over the years, I have seen goodness in nearly every one of you regulars - like, seriously, nearly every one.

                                            People have speculated why it was important to us to even have this subforum. Extra traffic? To keep politics out of the main forum? Bribery?

                                            The simple fact is that the main reason is what Blue mentioned above. While this is not my thing, a lot of people I really like enjoy it, and use it. It causes problems sometimes. Sometimes, you have friends in your home, and one of them spills a drink on the carpet, or accidentally breaks something. That doesn't prevent you from having friends over, in the future.

                                            Now, there can be a regular guest who constantly drinks too much, and causes issues every time he does. Decisions have to occasionally be made about whether or not that person turns out to be more trouble than they're worth. But even then, you hope they get their crap together so that they can come back.

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