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    I mean, we all know differences of opinion regarding the QB are coming, so ----

  • #2
    So I think SOB will be great QB if just gave him a chance.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by elsid13 View Post
      So I think SOB will be great QB if just gave him a chance.
      --- and if the damn Raiders didn't cheap shot him out of bounds and separate his shoulder, too.... LOL

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

        --- and if the damn Raiders didn't cheap shot him out of bounds and separate his shoulder, too.... LOL
        One of the greatest single game QB performance in Denver history. I was like we have our next Franchise QB. Then his dog blindsided him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by elsid13 View Post

          One of the greatest single game QB performance in Denver history. I was like we have our next Franchise QB. Then his dog blindsided him.
          I know it -- he made himself so popular with his teammates. Wasn't it Trevor Pryce who was alleged to have kicked his keister?

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          • #6
            Man, back in the early days of the Mane, I remember arguing "Frerotte vs. Griese" with Errand -- fun times!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

              I know it -- he made himself so popular with his teammates. Wasn't it Trevor Pryce who was alleged to have kicked his keister?
              yes. but we never found out why

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              • #8
                Originally posted by elsid13 View Post
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                yes. but we never found out why
                No doubt -- the team was remarkably tight-lipped about it. These days, one of them would have probably video'ed it on their cell phone and most likely, posted it on social media.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blueflame View Post
                  I mean, we all know differences of opinion regarding the QB are coming, so ----
                  Amazing isn’t it? Every year we got battles within the fanbase over QBs competitions.


                  this one was the weirdest IMO. Lots of subplots and conspiracies. I see it as it comes down to Fangios job security. If he’s got to choose which will give him a better chance it’s not surprising he went with the QB that didn’t almost get him fired last year.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

                    Amazing isn’t it? Every year we got battles within the fanbase over QBs competitions.


                    this one was the weirdest IMO. Lots of subplots and conspiracies. I see it as it comes down to Fangios job security. If he’s got to choose which will give him a better chance it’s not surprising he went with the QB that didn’t almost get him fired last year.
                    Yeah but pinning your job security on Teddy? Without Adrian Peterson in the backfield?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AlaskaMagnum View Post

                      Yeah but pinning your job security on Teddy? Without Adrian Peterson in the backfield?
                      Lol it’s rough. Especially after watching Teddy bomb in Carolina. I’m guessing we will see both QBs this year. As long as the QB is producing and the offense shows life the team will be competitive. Right now, after years without seeing a pulse from the team I’m happy with just not sucking

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                      • #12
                        I feel this is going to be a brutal year on offense. Lots of frustration watching talent get wasted because we don't have a QB.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by elsid13 View Post
                          I feel this is going to be a brutal year on offense. Lots of frustration watching talent get wasted because we don't have a QB.
                          Going to be even worse watching Jones make the Pats relevant again

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AlaskaMagnum View Post

                            Going to be even worse watching Jones make the Pats relevant again
                            I think Jones is going to struggle when DC get some film on him and make he move around due to pass rush. It will be interested in seeing where they go next off season, especially with Von's numbers off the cap.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by elsid13 View Post
                              I feel this is going to be a brutal year on offense. Lots of frustration watching talent get wasted because we don't have a QB.
                              There is absolutely no reason it should be brutal. My expectations are top half of the league. That should be good enough to win 10 or 11 games.

                              If neither Bridgewater or Lock can perform well given the weapons on the roster—that just goes to show you they were never "good" options in the first place. Furthermore, that Pat Shurmur doesn't need to be around anymore.

                              4,000 yards, 25 touchdowns (and half the INTs), and a completion percentage of at least 65-percent is my baseline for the year. That should be doable. It's pretty much as middle-of-the-pack as one could get.

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                              • #16
                                Williams is a player that will become a favorite soon. He will make this offense better. It won’t be as bad as last year for sure.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Requiem View Post

                                  There is absolutely no reason it should be brutal. My expectations are top half of the league. That should be good enough to win 10 or 11 games.

                                  If neither Bridgewater or Lock can perform well given the weapons on the roster—that just goes to show you they were never "good" options in the first place. Furthermore, that Pat Shurmur doesn't need to be around anymore.

                                  4,000 yards, 25 touchdowns (and half the INTs), and a completion percentage of at least 65-percent is my baseline for the year. That should be doable. It's pretty much as middle-of-the-pack as one could get.
                                  I don't believe either Lock or Teddy will be middle of the pack starters and Shurmur will turtle the offense.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Requiem View Post

                                    There is absolutely no reason it should be brutal. My expectations are top half of the league. That should be good enough to win 10 or 11 games.

                                    If neither Bridgewater or Lock can perform well given the weapons on the roster—that just goes to show you they were never "good" options in the first place. Furthermore, that Pat Shurmur doesn't need to be around anymore.

                                    4,000 yards, 25 touchdowns (and half the INTs), and a completion percentage of at least 65-percent is my baseline for the year. That should be doable. It's pretty much as middle-of-the-pack as one could get.
                                    You really think TB can throw 25 TDS? I mean, I’d love to see it, but I don’t see how that is any less far fetched than Lock becoming Josh Allen

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                                    • #19
                                      I think we all can agree that we are disappointed in what we have at the QB position. The majority of people will say that Lock should have been the starter from day one and it was his spot to lose, and some will say that he did not improve enough to hold off a journeyman QB like Teddy. But here we are. I'm not tied to any of these two QBs and I just hope for the best with whoever is playing.

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                                      • #20
                                        It would help if our HC actually watched the offense during practice instead of spending all his team with the defense. He watches the offense on tape later in the week.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by AlaskaMagnum View Post
                                          You really think TB can throw 25 TDS? I mean, I’d love to see it, but I don’t see how that is any less far fetched than Lock becoming Josh Allen
                                          Both Bridgewater (58.5%) and Lock (56%) were both sub-60 percent passers in the red zone last year. Teddy had 9 TDs out of 53 throws inside the 20 with 3 INTs, and Lock had 11 TDs out of 50 throws with 2 INTs. Quite underwhelming. They were both damn near the bottom of the league.

                                          Those percentages are about 5-7 percent less than average. With the talent we have, it shouldn't be that difficult to find a net of 5-10 plays (plus a few elsewhere outside the RZ) to get him to hit that mark. Defenses are going to play man up on a condensed field and we have targets who should easily be able to win one-on-one match-ups.

                                          Execution is one thing, but play-calling in the RZ by Shurmur is another. This team is too talented to fail, IMHO. What I'm expecting honestly isn't that much. It's more or less Teddy (or Drew) and Shurmur finding a way to maximize scoring potential on a dozen of plays in the RZ. If they can't do that, they all need to go.

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                                          • #22
                                            Originally posted by elsid13 View Post
                                            Shurmur will turtle the offense.
                                            I'm trying to be optimistic, but you might be right. That has been his modus operandi for most every year in the league as a play-caller. Only three seasons out of 11 (as an OC/HC) have produced offenses that were middle of the pack or better. Everything else has been bottom third of the league.

                                            They ran a lot of heavy formations last year (with little success) and we saw it in the pre-season (did much better), but he would be a moron to not implement more true 4 WR sets (think AZ/BUF and not flexing out a TE) with who we have at the position to get more explosive play potential. From the looks of things, it certainly seems like they are going to try and replicate something similar to what the Browns did with Mayfield and their RBs last year in Cleveland.

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by Requiem View Post

                                              Both Bridgewater (58.5%) and Lock (56%) were both sub-60 percent passers in the red zone last year. Teddy had 9 TDs out of 53 throws inside the 20 with 3 INTs, and Lock had 11 TDs out of 50 throws with 2 INTs. Quite underwhelming. They were both damn near the bottom of the league.

                                              Those percentages are about 5-7 percent less than average. With the talent we have, it shouldn't be that difficult to find a net of 5-10 plays (plus a few elsewhere outside the RZ) to get him to hit that mark. Defenses are going to play man up on a condensed field and we have targets who should easily be able to win one-on-one match-ups.

                                              Execution is one thing, but play-calling in the RZ by Shurmur is another. This team is too talented to fail, IMHO. What I'm expecting honestly isn't that much. It's more or less Teddy (or Drew) and Shurmur finding a way to maximize scoring potential on a dozen of plays in the RZ. If they can't do that, they all need to go.
                                              Teddy was horrendous in the redzone last year. Then he went and blamed it on Carolina not practicing it enough…..I have no hate for Teddy starting but that move was pretty weak. Own the redzone fails instead of blaming coaches. Watching some of those plays Teddy just sucked at executing.

                                              the old OM I said Lock wouldn’t improve enough this year. Dude lost his job to a journeyman who’s coming off a horrible year in Carolina. I’m wishing for a Tannehill type surprise from Teddy but that won’t happen. I’d settle for him throwing ints in the single digits.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                                                Teddy was horrendous in the redzone last year. Then he went and blamed it on Carolina not practicing it enough…..I have no hate for Teddy starting but that move was pretty weak. Own the redzone fails instead of blaming coaches. Watching some of those plays Teddy just sucked at executing.

                                                the old OM I said Lock wouldn’t improve enough this year. Dude lost his job to a journeyman who’s coming off a horrible year in Carolina. I’m wishing for a Tannehill type surprise from Teddy but that won’t happen. I’d settle for him throwing ints in the single digits.
                                                Their RZ offense was very bad. However, they Panthers didn't have CMC and Mike Davis averaged less than 4.0 YPC. They also didn't have any good tight ends that are mismatches in the red zone. (Though I'll say utilizing tight ends has been an issue for Teddy over the years, even when the Vikings had Rudolph earlier on in his career.) Curtis Samuel and D.J. Moore are sub 6'0 receivers. Robby Anderson is 6'3 and Teddy had great chemistry with him. Nearly 80-percent of balls thrown to Anderson were completed.

                                                I'm hopeful for increased production because we have at least three big-bodied, legitimate threats that their offense lacked. On a positive note, the one thing I liked that I did see from Teddy was when Joe Brady was dialing up four-wide sets and having him do draws. Scored four or five touchdowns by my count going through some of his red zone plays last night. That's something Shurmur should already recognize and be throwing into his RZ plays for Teddy if they aren't already there.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Both QBs will get plenty of snaps this season. Teddy was the safe choice, but Vic knows Drew will most likely get another shot because there’s no way Teddy stays healthy. This is a wildcard football team with mediocre QB production. Good QB play puts them in a position to go deep into the playoffs. Possible, but not likely.

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