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    After beating the world champion in Go, Deepmind, who created the AI, started from scratch with AlphaGo Zero. On day zero, AlphaGo Zero had no prior knowledge of the game Go, and was only given the basic rules as input. Three hours later, AGZ was already playing like a beginner, forging long-term strategy to focus on greedily capturing as many stones as possible. But within nineteen hours, this had changed. AGZ had by then learned the fundamentals of Go strategies, such as life-and-death, influence and territory. Within seventy hours it was playing at superhuman level and had surpassed the abilities of AlphaGo, the version that beat world champion Lee Sedol.

    After twenty-one days, it had reached the level of AlphaGo Master, the version that defeated sixty top professionals on line and the world champion, Ke Jie, in a three-out-of-three game. By day forty, AGZ surpassed all other versions of Alpha Go and, arguably, the newly born intelligent being had already become the smartest being in existence on the task it had set out to learn.

    It learned all this on its own, entirely from self-play, with no human intervention and using no historical data. At the speed of AI, forty-five days is equivalent to the entire history of human evolution.

    Scary Smart,
    Mo Gawdat

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      🤔

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      • #4
        “In the coming decades, it is likely that we will see more Internet-like revolutions, in which technology steals a march on politics. Artificial intelligence and biotechnology might soon overhaul our societies and economies – and our bodies and minds too – but they are hardly a blip on our political radar. Our current democratic structures just cannot collect and process the relevant data fast enough, and most voters don’t understand biology and cybernetics well enough to form any pertinent opinions. Hence traditional democratic politics loses control of events, and fails to provide us with meaningful visions for the future.”
        ― Yuval Noah Harari, Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow

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        • #5
          Might be too disturbing for some to watch...

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          • #6
            I can’t wait till francesca gets upgraded to being a robot, who can cook, clean, be my lover, be my secretary, and has a machine gun arm attachment, and I don’t have to worry about her head falling off when we throw down.

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            • #7
              Roh worships AI. Noted.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post
                Roh worships AI. Noted.
                You are hopelessly clueless. I guess those who want to live the medieval life must flee knowledge whenever it shows up.

                (BTW: It's a warning about the extreme danger of AI)
                Last edited by Roh; 07-23-2022, 07:12 PM.

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                • #9
                  That video is nuts.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Roh View Post

                    You are hopelessly clueless. I guess those who want to live the medieval life must flee knowledge whenever it shows up.

                    (BTW: It's a warning about the extreme danger of AI)
                    He can't wrap his midget mind around the idea of NOT worshiping someone or something.

                    If you don't worship The Lawd Jay-sus then you must worship somethin,' for cryin' out loud! 😉

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                    • #11
                      Google fired one of their software engineers for claiming publicly that Google's AI was "sentient." It appears that these people creating these things want to conduct their experiments behind closed doors and NDAs. Given the possibly immense danger of what they are engaged in doing, secrecy is the last thing humanity should allow them

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Roh View Post
                        Google fired one of their software engineers for claiming publicly that Google's AI was "sentient." It appears that these people creating these things want to conduct their experiments behind closed doors and NDAs. Given the possibly immense danger of what they are engaged in doing, secrecy is the last thing humanity should allow them
                        According to news reports, that particular engineer is a bit of a nutter, and his statements should be taken with a very large grain of salt.

                        That being said, I do believe that sentient A.I. could occur in the next few years -- and who knows what will happen once that genie's out of the bottle. The best case scenario is very, very good; the worst case scenario is horrific.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BowlenBall View Post

                          According to news reports, that particular engineer is a bit of a nutter, and his statements should be taken with a very large grain of salt.

                          That being said, I do believe that sentient A.I. could occur in the next few years -- and who knows what will happen once that genie's out of the bottle. The best case scenario is very, very good; the worst case scenario is horrific.
                          Not sure there really is a best-case scenario with all this. A lot of the major developers and drivers of AI are doing it for political and other not-so good purposes. The technical aspect and algorithms are developed by humans and obviously we all have bias and flaws. I try to be pretty optimistic in most cases, but in this one—it's hard to be. Sentient AI would hypothetically be able to play by any rules it wants.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Requiem View Post

                            Not sure there really is a best-case scenario with all this. A lot of the major developers and drivers of AI are doing it for political and other not-so good purposes. The technical aspect and algorithms are developed by humans and obviously we all have bias and flaws. I try to be pretty optimistic in most cases, but in this one—it's hard to be. Sentient AI would hypothetically be able to play by any rules it wants.
                            For sure -- all current A.I. research is being done for applied purposes (weapons, defense, informations systems, etc.). That's not quite actual artificial intelligence though, is it?

                            A true A.I. will have free will, and will make plans and decisions based on its own rational self-interest (whatever it perceives that to be). The best case scenario is that it views humankind as something to be preserved and protected on scientific grounds, even though we're somewhat dangerous, just as we do with the siberian tiger or killer whales.

                            The worst case scenario? It takes a few DNA samples, puts them in cryogenesis, then kills the lot of us.

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                            • #15
                              Very interesting and cool. Also scary at the same time.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by BowlenBall View Post
                                For sure -- all current A.I. research is being done for applied purposes (weapons, defense, informations systems, etc.). That's not quite actual artificial intelligence though, is it?
                                Insofar as being a basis/tool to help with human-based decision making—you are probably right.

                                A true A.I. will have free will, and will make plans and decisions based on its own rational self-interest (whatever it perceives that to be). The best case scenario is that it views humankind as something to be preserved and protected on scientific grounds, even though we're somewhat dangerous, just as we do with the siberian tiger or killer whales.

                                The worst case scenario? It takes a few DNA samples, puts them in cryogenesis, then kills the lot of us.
                                *The AI becomes sentient and looks at BowlenBall, Req, and the rest of the OM/OH Mock Drafters and speaks its first words*

                                You all Scherffed it. . .

                                😁

                                If that happens we are doomed!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by BowlenBall View Post

                                  According to news reports, that particular engineer is a bit of a nutter, and his statements should be taken with a very large grain of salt.

                                  That being said, I do believe that sentient A.I. could occur in the next few years -- and who knows what will happen once that genie's out of the bottle. The best case scenario is very, very good; the worst case scenario is horrific.
                                  Last week, according to Russian media outlets, a chess-playing robot, apparently unsettled by the quick responses of a seven-year-old boy, unceremoniously grabbed and broke his finger during a match at the Moscow Open.

                                  “The robot broke the child’s finger,” Sergey Lazarev, president of the Moscow Chess Federation, told the TASS news agency after the incident, adding that the machine had played many previous exhibitions without upset. “This is of course bad.”

                                  Video of the 19 July incident published by the Baza Telegram channel shows the boy’s finger being pinched by the robotic arm for several seconds before a woman followed by three men rush in, free him and usher him away.

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...pponent-moscow

                                  😉 I'm just sayin'

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by BowlenBall View Post

                                    For sure -- all current A.I. research is being done for applied purposes (weapons, defense, informations systems, etc.). That's not quite actual artificial intelligence though, is it?

                                    A true A.I. will have free will, and will make plans and decisions based on its own rational self-interest (whatever it perceives that to be). The best case scenario is that it views humankind as something to be preserved and protected on scientific grounds, even though we're somewhat dangerous, just as we do with the siberian tiger or killer whales.

                                    The worst case scenario? It takes a few DNA samples, puts them in cryogenesis, then kills the lot of us.
                                    Or creates a CGI personality and runs for president.

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                                    • #19
                                      "China has ten times more data than the U.S. AI is basically run on data and fueled by data. The more data, the better the AI works, more importantly than how brilliant the researcher is, working on the problem. So, in the age of AI, where data is the new oil, China is the new Saudi Arabia."

                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dZ_lvDgevk


                                      China is pouring billions into education, creating a whole generation of brilliant young people (in fact, borrowing the education systems of other countries) to rule the coming world of AI. America is fighting over political stupidities like the "culture war" and cutting government to the bone in order to fuel the greed of corporations who offshore all that wealth; Corporations which will eventually be dominated by China. The economic inequality being created weakens America more every day, fertilizing the ground for class war and even more, radicalized division.

                                      Why does Russia and China spend millions infiltrating the US with internet trolls, backing people like Donald Trump (who Russia has been playing since the 80s) who create division and more radicalized anti-Americanism?

                                      An old Sun Tzu proverb:

                                      "If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected . The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”

                                      Greed is destroying America now. What comes later will be our own fault.

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                                      • #20
                                        China is not some globe-straddling colossus. Xi has amassed so much power in his hands that China is ****ed when he finally dies. That’s always the problem with kings and emperors and dictators and pharaohs. Humans are mortal.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by W*GS View Post
                                          China is not some globe-straddling colossus. Xi has amassed so much power in his hands that China is ****ed when he finally dies. That’s always the problem with kings and emperors and dictators and pharaohs. Humans are mortal.
                                          People thought that when Mao died. China is building the horse. Xi will fall off and the next dictator will jump into the saddle.

                                          More worrisome is that AI will end civil liberty. It's already doing it.

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                                          • #22
                                            Like it says in this Frontline film, China is copying from everybody else. For now. We used to say that about Japan, back in the 50s. Make fun of Japanese goods. The US is not investing in the future of its people. That is arrogance.

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                                            • #23
                                              I'll fix your little AI problem so you can sleep better at night. First I'll need 50 million. Then take me to this machines plug and outlet.

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                                              • Roh
                                                Roh commented
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                                                Will you unplug your phone? Your internet access? Your football games? Online banking? Bills?

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                                              Automation will eliminate jobs. Then, humans will turn to AI to supply them with "credits" for housing, food, water, healthcare... The AI will have all the minutiae of your profile already in its databanks. Like the film points out, a person who doesn't keep their phone charged is not as reliable as one who does. The "data" on you is already being used to determine if you qualify. Soon, cash will be made obsolete. Nobody will accept it.

                                              What shows do you watch? What kind of purchases do you make? Who do you associate with? Do you exercise, or not? Sexual profile? What kind of foods do you eat? This will determine your "profile." Are you credit worthy? Do you deserve food and shelter? Should you get health care? Are you a friend of the government? Or not? Do you get along with others, or are you a troublemaker? What do your neighbors think of you? How does your online social network rate you? What sort of books do you read?

                                              So easy to turn data into an algorithm. What is your number?

                                              This world is already being installed. In a few decades, it will dominate.

                                              Are you a valuable member of society?

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                                              • #25
                                                Artificial intelligence has deciphered the structure of virtually every protein known to science, paving the way for the development of new medicines or technologies to tackle global challenges such as famine or pollution.

                                                Proteins are the building blocks of life. Formed of chains of amino acids, folded up into complex shapes, their 3D structure largely determines their function. Once you know how a protein folds up, you can start to understand how it works, and how to change its behaviour. Although DNA provides the instructions for making the chain of amino acids, predicting how they interact to form a 3D shape was more tricky and, until recently, scientists had only deciphered a fraction of the 200m or so proteins known to science.

                                                In November 2020, the AI group DeepMind announced it had developed a program called AlphaFold that could rapidly predict this information using an algorithm. Since then, it has been crunching through the genetic codes of every organism that has had its genome sequenced, and predicting the structures of the hundreds of millions of proteins they collectively contain.


                                                https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...c-leap-forward

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