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    Great looks & breakdown

  • #2
    Yes.
    Before the draft that we took him in... I said, "I was a CB in college. I've watched tape on CBs. Surtain is the best CB prospect Ive seen in the past ten years. This guy will be able to be a real replacement for what we were missing since Talib declined. Think of him in the same category as Champ Bailey & Talib right now out of college. And he can only get better..."

    If we still had "Adopt a Bronco" in these new digs, he'd be mine still.

    Also Surtain was the right choice.
    As he will hold down the # 1 corner position for a decade allowing us to sign Darby level guys as # 2 CB and maintain a top secondary talent wise for all that time. In the new pass happy league, we needed him more than Parsons and with RW3 in Denver we also needed Surtain more than Feilds or Mac Jones.

    GO BRONCOS!


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post
      Yes.
      Before the draft that we took him in... I said, "I was a CB in college. I've watched tape on CBs. Surtain is the best CB prospect Ive seen in the past ten years. This guy will be able to be a real replacement for what we were missing since Talib declined. Think of him in the same category as Champ Bailey & Talib right now out of college. And he can only get better..."

      If we still had "Adopt a Bronco" in these new digs, he'd be mine still.

      Also Surtain was the right choice.
      As he will hold down the # 1 corner position for a decade allowing us to sign Darby level guys as # 2 CB and maintain a top secondary talent wise for all that time. In the new pass happy league, we needed him more than Parsons and with RW3 in Denver we also needed Surtain more than Feilds or Mac Jones.

      GO BRONCOS!

      Now that we have RW we know QB would have been a wasted pick. Parsons and Slater were the other comparable need & quality choices.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

        Now that we have RW we know QB would have been a wasted pick. Parsons and Slater were the other comparable need & quality choices.
        I'd take Surtain over both right now and back then as well. All three are going to be good for years. But a Surtain level CB is generational and will be able to shut down # 1 WRs that had been burning the # 2 CBs we kept forcing to play # 1.

        Parsons had weird lockerroom allegations that don't jive with a fixing of the culture in the locker room... that was badly needed.
        He fits in better with Dallas or LV.

        I can't wait for PS2 to feast on KC's replacements for Hill.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post

          I'd take Surtain over both right now and back then as well. All three are going to be good for years. But a Surtain level CB is generational and will be able to shut down # 1 WRs that had been burning the # 2 CBs we kept forcing to play # 1.

          Parsons had weird lockerroom allegations that don't jive with a fixing of the culture in the locker room... that was badly needed.
          He fits in better with Dallas or LV.

          I can't wait for PS2 to feast on KC's replacements for Hill.
          I was not big on Parsons either. I remember the bizarre things as well.

          I do wish we would solve our RT spot.

          Surtain is a home run for sure and continues what has become a Bronco tradition. Simmons is talented, but would love a thumper like Atwater.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

            I was not big on Parsons either. I remember the bizarre things as well.

            I do wish we would solve our RT spot.

            Surtain is a home run for sure and continues what has become a Bronco tradition. Simmons is talented, but would love a thumper like Atwater.
            Atwater was so good at hitting it was ridiculous. When he hit the Nigerian Nightmare, it looked like Tyson punching a fat guy. What made it so WOW was Atwater was a safety straight smoking a big RB, not a LB.
            I also would love to find a guy that has me thrilled for Atwater type hits. If you find a guy, that gives you that idea... I'll watch all the tape I can get and give my honest opinion. But I don't see him yet.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post

              Atwater was so good at hitting it was ridiculous. When he hit the Nigerian Nightmare, it looked like Tyson punching a fat guy. What made it so WOW was Atwater was a safety straight smoking a big RB, not a LB.
              I also would love to find a guy that has me thrilled for Atwater type hits. If you find a guy, that gives you that idea... I'll watch all the tape I can get and give my honest opinion. But I don't see him yet.
              No, probably only one Atwater. We did have Dennis Smith as well. Lynch & Dawkins for a bit. NFL has made it harder to do the big hits.

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              • #8
                I rock the Smith 49 jersey sometimes. Smith and Atwater were the most insane safety combo ever, unless you were at USC in the 80's. Easily as good as Chancellor/Thomas for the Seachickens.
                Last edited by Samiwindr; 04-01-2022, 03:21 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post

                  I'd take Surtain over both right now and back then as well. All three are going to be good for years. But a Surtain level CB is generational and will be able to shut down # 1 WRs that had been burning the # 2 CBs we kept forcing to play # 1.

                  Parsons had weird lockerroom allegations that don't jive with a fixing of the culture in the locker room... that was badly needed.
                  He fits in better with Dallas or LV.

                  I can't wait for PS2 to feast on KC's replacements for Hill.
                  Paton played CB in high school and as a walk on at UCLA. If there’s one position he knows more than the others, is the CB position.

                  I believe him when he said he thought Surtain was the best player in the draft. He probably did a Sonny Weaver move by writing Surtain no matter what on a post it note and put it in his pocket.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gordon Gekko View Post
                    Paton played CB in high school and as a walk on at UCLA. If there’s one position he knows more than the others, is the CB position.

                    I believe him when he said he thought Surtain was the best player in the draft. He probably did a Sonny Weaver move by writing Surtain no matter what on a post it note and put it in his pocket.
                    Ahhh…Paton was a CB. Great choice in Surtain. Let’s see if he keeps it going!

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                    • #11
                      Parsons matched James Harrison’s Defensive player of the year in 2008 through 13 games. He almost broke Lawrence Taylor rookie year. He set team records. The guy is a monster on the field with immediate impacts across every level of the field. He should’ve got DPOY but is a rookie so they weren’t having it. Looking back most GMs would’ve taken him knowing this.


                      Surtain is hopefully going to be elite but Parsons impact is Taylor like. Like once in decades type player

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                        Parsons matched James Harrison’s Defensive player of the year in 2008 through 13 games. He almost broke Lawrence Taylor rookie year. He set team records. The guy is a monster on the field with immediate impacts across every level of the field. He should’ve got DPOY but is a rookie so they weren’t having it. Looking back most GMs would’ve taken him knowing this.


                        Surtain is hopefully going to be elite but Parsons impact is Taylor like. Like once in decades type player
                        I agree. On a redraft he may have gone 1-2. Cowboys got a steal as long as he keeps his head on straight.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

                          I agree. On a redraft he may have gone 1-2. Cowboys got a steal as long as he keeps his head on straight.
                          The greats were headcases too. We just didn’t hear about it cause there wasn’t blue check wannabe insiders pushing drama every day. Romanowski would’ve been cancelled by Twitter back then.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

                            The greats were headcases too. We just didn’t hear about it cause there wasn’t blue check wannabe insiders pushing drama every day. Romanowski would’ve been cancelled by Twitter back then.
                            Lol, yes Romo. LT had a few screws loose as well along with some bad habits.

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                            • #15
                              I wish he was more of a thumper.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post

                                Atwater was so good at hitting it was ridiculous. When he hit the Nigerian Nightmare, it looked like Tyson punching a fat guy. What made it so WOW was Atwater was a safety straight smoking a big RB, not a LB.
                                I also would love to find a guy that has me thrilled for Atwater type hits. If you find a guy, that gives you that idea... I'll watch all the tape I can get and give my honest opinion. But I don't see him yet.
                                Plus he was ALWAYS around the ball and was a big time leader on defense. Every time it seemed someone made a play there was Steve hyping them up.
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                                • #17
                                  Surtain is a great player, and Parsons is a great player. Lets see how their entire careers pan out before we declare one of them a better pick than the other. If you think Parsons was the no-brainer pick, then you must’ve missed the part when the cowboys moved back a handful of draft spots immediately AFTER the Broncos selected Surtain. They even had Surtain ranked higher.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by R8R H8R View Post
                                    Surtain is a great player, and Parsons is a great player. Lets see how their entire careers pan out before we declare one of them a better pick than the other. If you think Parsons was the no-brainer pick, then you must’ve missed the part when the cowboys moved back a handful of draft spots immediately AFTER the Broncos selected Surtain. They even had Surtain ranked higher.
                                    let’s see Parson eat without 2 very good edge rushers. he will now have to be that edge rusher going against Ts not TEs


                                    maybe he’s the next lawrence taylor


                                    meanwhile Surtain doesn’t need anyone to thrive


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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post

                                      Atwater was so good at hitting it was ridiculous. When he hit the Nigerian Nightmare, it looked like Tyson punching a fat guy. What made it so WOW was Atwater was a safety straight smoking a big RB, not a LB.
                                      I also would love to find a guy that has me thrilled for Atwater type hits. If you find a guy, that gives you that idea... I'll watch all the tape I can get and give my honest opinion. But I don't see him yet.
                                      You are going to be waiting a long time. The rules and game have changed, gone are the days of the big hit.

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                                      • Old Coyote
                                        Old Coyote commented
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                                        I already have been waiting a long time.

                                        To be honest though...
                                        K Jack laid a few whallups that I liked.
                                        He's declining, but I would love to see him smack a few more guys before he is done as a Bronco.
                                        One can still smoke RBs, so I'm always hoping each year that I get to see another Atwater on Okoye type hit on a RB. It's still possible.

                                    • #20
                                      I’ll take surtain over parsons 7 days a week. And I like parson’s but surtain doesn’t need ANYONE to dominate his position and shut down one side of the field. His technique is so strong it’s crazy, his smarts and study habits show on game day. He’s not doing it for glitz and glamor meaning he won’t put himself and his team in a bad place by gambling for interceptions! He’d rather bat the ball down for incompletions and take the ints when they come.

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                                      • #21
                                        Originally posted by Drunk Monkey View Post

                                        You are going to be waiting a long time. The rules and game have changed, gone are the days of the big hit.
                                        Not really you can still lay the wood you just gotta make sure you really stay away from the head and neck and lead with your shoulder which is something Atwater really didn’t have to worry about in his day.

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                                        • #22
                                          Good look vs Keenan Allen
                                           

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                                          • #23
                                            Originally posted by Jeudy10Hamler1 View Post

                                            Not really you can still lay the wood you just gotta make sure you really stay away from the head and neck and lead with your shoulder which is something Atwater really didn’t have to worry about in his day.
                                            The NFL really really doesn't want to see it's players get blown up anymore. It leads to injury, concussion and moms not letting their kids play football. The point has been made to the players, if you can make a tackle safely and elect to "lay wood" instead there will be consequences. It's a different game.

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                                            • #24
                                              Originally posted by Drunk Monkey View Post

                                              The NFL really really doesn't want to see it's players get blown up anymore. It leads to injury, concussion and moms not letting their kids play football. The point has been made to the players, if you can make a tackle safely and elect to "lay wood" instead there will be consequences. It's a different game.
                                              Pussified!

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                                              • #25
                                                Originally posted by R8R H8R View Post
                                                Surtain is a great player, and Parsons is a great player. Lets see how their entire careers pan out before we declare one of them a better pick than the other. If you think Parsons was the no-brainer pick, then you must’ve missed the part when the cowboys moved back a handful of draft spots immediately AFTER the Broncos selected Surtain. They even had Surtain ranked higher.
                                                Very true. Chubb also looked great as a rookie with 14 sacks

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