To the Broncos defesne on this....they had to prep the team to SELL. Trading for Watson isn't the move you make when you are in that situation. Plus one of the Bowlen girls as I recall, had been given an award or something for efforts against domesit violence right around the same time. I can understand Denver wasn't in position to push the chips on on a move like this.

We’re using hindsight though. Obviously, knowing what we know now, we should’ve done literally ANYTHING else but trade for Wilson.

But seriously, had the team traded for Minshew, or some other clown, (as their answer), at the time, their would’ve been a revolt, the fanbase would’ve came unglued.

Blame Wilson, he agreed to the trade and signed the contract, with the expectation we wouldn’t completely and utterly suck. He’s completely screwed us now and for years to come.

Keeping Lock would’ve been better than Wilson. Lmao.

would’ve had all the draft picks…drafting top 5 for your QB and no Wilson contract restricting for half a decade.

for Paton its not so much the decisions anymore. They happened. It’s how he’s going to fix it.


so far he’s ****ed that up too.

This! Wilson was easily the best choice we could have made. Most of us were over the moon when it happened. Hard to fathom what’s happened this season. Can you imagine if Paton started Lock another year? That stadium would have been empty.

Would it though?

the Opener VS Seattle wouldn't have been the pressure cooker it was because No Wilson trade means Wilson is in Seattle or not traded at least, to Denver.

Maybe Lock has some boneheaded turnovers as he was prone to, but also make some big plays as he also did from time to time. This D holds up and makes those turnovers hurt less. Maybe you get off to a better record with the cupcakes you had to start and the stadium fills up, with Shane up in here telling everyone he told you so about how great Lock was.

Seriously, would things really be worse than they are with Lock? NO! Even if he did suck, you'd have your draft and all kinds of cap to look forward to.

Hey. I'll admit I blessed the trade. But that was based on the marketing of it.(should have known ) Because who the f watches Seattle games outside of Seattle. But after watching a decent sample size of Russ...this is some bullshit. Guy has a lead ass and can't read the field. It was more fun to watch Lock hand the ball off to the opposing team than it is to watch Russ in action.

The only thing to save us now is the ledged of what could have been Kyle "welcome to the Sloter house" Sloter.



I propose an even trade. A possible Kurt Warner career route in the making.

Once again, you’re using hindsight. Obviously, they should’ve done anything else but trade for Wilson. But, nobody could’ve guessed at the time Wilson would be so washed. He threw 9 TDs vs just 1 INT in just the final 3 games last year. Now, he probably won’t even throw 9 TDs this entire season.

Lock simply isn't mature enough to be a starting QB in the NFL. Drew is basically Tom Hanks in Big. Murray seems to have the same problem. Honestly all the revisionist history and shoulda/coulda stuff is tired. Without Wilson, the team would have sold for a billion less to a chumpzilla ownership group and we'd still be watching a losing season. Either fire the coach this week or force him to fire Outten and bring in a consultant to stand up Kubiak through the end of the season. This should have been done at the bye. Ownership is going to fix this mess. We have one of the best fan bases in football and one of the most storied franchises.

Yep, we’re stuck now, gotta try to make it work. It starts with the idiot coach who throws the ball 42 times, with 3rd & 4th stringers on the o-line, and a struggling QB.

I agree. At least Lock had familiarity with the players AND didn't have a $250 million dollar contract.....

Wilson has been so bad. It's pretty desperate to want to trade 3 Firsts and other picks plus 230 mil fully guaranteed for someone who could end up incarcerated at a point. Also hasn't played in 2 years

I didn't really post this with the idea that we know now what we know about Wilson. More along the line of thought that they miss out on Rodgers, and no Wilson trade materializes....you probably are rolling in with at minnimum Lock competing for the job and probalby some other vet.

All I am saying is that even if that was the case, lets say Denver is 5-4 or even 4-5 right now with an erratic but splashy Lock....basically there would be some real hope for post season, and some folks would still say Lock could become more. ...plus the draft picks and cap space.

My point is ....sure, if you started out with Lock again this year, the fan base would have been unenthusiastic about it..but by this point, if they were 4-6 win team...people would be hopeful and engaged.

They had no patience with Lock, from the weird IR thumb thing to start his career to replacing him with Teddy B. In fairness, Lock kinda sucked, he’s a guy who threw a ton of passes in college, and pretty much is what he is.

Looking back though, the team was 7-6 when Teddy got hurt, their best record since 2016. Lock came in and they, of course, didn’t win another game.

The Broncos had scored 38, 30, and 28 points in three of Teddy B’s final 5 games. A argument can be made they were building something, although still not great, they were at least playing some of their best football in years.

Yes, Teddy wasn’t the longterm answer, but with the Chubb trade they’d have 2 firsts right now coming up to replace Teddy. Using hindsight, did they really need to blow everything up they were starting to build last year?

They? Or Georgiano…

one man ruined it all…

I think the first problem that led you to where you are, is Elway/Ellis forcing the Fangio lame duck year in 2021 on everyone......the Hackett fiasco would NOT have happend if Paton could hire a coach in 2021. Lock would have gotten an evaluation from a coaching staff that at least would have wanted to try and find out if he was it or not, as they would have had that whole year to learn, knowing if they didn't like Lock they had the green light on moving on and drafting or trading for another QB. So, bring back Fangio for 2021 was a very very costly waste of time for the Broncos, Paton, etc.

....and did they really blow things up though? Boles was resigned, Sutton, Patrick resigned. Von was traded away, but your defense has been largely homegrown. Davonte Williams was looking like a real good addition. I don't know things were blown up so much as Hackett being just awful, and perhaps some overestimation about the talent on the line and at WR...makes it look worse than it is.

I hate to say this but I still think a real coach, and some prudent upgrades at OL and you guys are in the playoffs. Of course there are other needs....but fixing Russ and upgrading the line (easier said than done of course) and you've got something. It's not as off in the distance as it seems right now. (IMO)

Watson gets to play his first game against his old team too. This was an even riskier deal than Russ's extension. His $230 million contract is fully guaranteed. They haven't seen him play a meaningful snap in two years. The serial sexual predator still has ongoing lawsuits and who knows what else. Lots of distractions like his accusers attending the game this Sunday.

Old Coyote, I've been trying to find the video where Carroll is giggling with glee because he fleeced the Broncos and gave up on Russ. Instead he spent the early part of the year trying to convince Russ to stay like he did last year and the year before that. Russ has been wanting out for several years. He said there was so much compelling reasoning why Russ should stay because of all the history and all the time spent. He built a relationship with Seattle over a long period of time, there are great benefits to that moving forward and well beyond his career and stuff. Seattle even turned down a better offer from Washington that included three 1st round picks and more. They should have taken that deal if Carroll secretly knew Russ needed fixed. It would have been an even bigger fleece of an NFC opponent. They took less and traded him out of the NFC. It was all about Russ wanting out.​

Pat Kirwan commented similar sentiments yesterday, and noted that Watson looked lost in training camp earlier this year. Don't be surprised if he puts up a stinker in his debut. Also said that Brissett is not likely to attract a starting job in the offseason, but would be a highly paid backup.

Let's see how watson performs.. I will take watson over wilson.

I'm assuming you meant Watson, and would that be any worse than where we are now?

Lets actually see him play first . Even this year could not be a true indication.

He will expected to get Browns to Super Bowl soon.

He will fail as bad as Wilson. At least it will give people new things to talk about.

You’ve been wrong this entire season.


don’t stop now.

His last full season he had historical numbers :

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nf...020-pff-argues



hes gonna use these last games as a foundation to settle in. Then he will be ready by 2023 season. Meanwhile Broncos can eat a bag of dicks gifted by Wilson for 4 more years.

I would rather suck then have a rapist be our QB. Also before you go off and saying were are the charges? It's still rape even if you have the money to pay them off.

It's going to take AT MINIMUM, all the rest of this season, all of next training camp, all of next years preseason games....and 4 weeks of the regular season next year...for Watson to knock the rust off. Minimum. That's a long damn time in a world where there are a dozen talking head shows that manufacture content by doing things like changing the their minds week to week on who the best QB is and so on....and if a guy is a bust, and so on.

And they can't settle on a position...that doesn't create looks, clicks, controversy....Tua was a bust, and he wasn't then he was, now he isn't, but he still could be. It's neverending. Mahomes is MVP, no it's allen...no it's Burrow...oh it was Mahomes all along...but maybe it's Hurts since the Eagles have only lost once...no it's still Mahomes...no its Burrow. Whatever. That's whats going to happen with Watson. He's finished...oh, no he's not...he's the same guy...oh, wait..he's lost something...was out too long....oh wait, we jumped the gun..he going to get back to form...oh he's too distracted...it will be ceaseless.

That's the part that's going to make it difficult. When you miss that much time, it's going to take time to get back to form, get used to your teammates, coaches, muscle memory, getting hit again..all that takes A LOT of time when you've been away from it for 2 years. The media, and fans are going to be brutal. Watson, whatever you think of him...he's legally going to be free from prison and he'll be legal for the Browns to employ....it will be a huge test of his mental strength to carry the burden of his actions, and get back to playing football at a high level....while being scrutinized 24/7.

IT's the browns so it probably wont' end well.

That said...I 100% guarantee a QB that wins with his past, will be more popular, more well liked, more accepted and more of an ASSET to the City he's in, than Russell Wilson, who is fake and contrived but didn't shove his junk onto anyone unsolicited and makes an effort to do hospital visits and all that.

Sad but true. He wins in cleveland, no one anywhere is going to care one bit...not one bit that he's a creepy sleezeball.