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    With the Russian invasion of Ukraine getting more horrific, Donald Trump and his allies are frantically erasing the truth about Trump’s relations with Ukraine. Trump absurdly claims that as president, he stood strong behind Ukraine and NATO, while his spinners comically downplay his corrupt and deeply malevolent betrayal of our ally.

    The obvious rejoinder to this spin is that Trump got impeached for withholding military aid to strong-arm Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky into manufacturing propaganda to help Trump’s reelection. This came even as Zelensky pleaded for help against Russian aggression, which the world is now witnessing unfold in all its horror.

    But the focus only on that episode risks oversimplifying the story. It casts this recent history as being mainly about Trump’s personal corruption, i.e., his effort to use foreign policy to smear his campaign opponent.

    A broader focus shows that this saga was, and is, really about the United States’ foreign policy posture: In episode after episode, Trump aligned our interests with those of Russian President Vladimir Putin and against those of Ukraine, NATO and the West.

    “Trump acted against U.S. interests with the consequence of aiding Russian interests,” Alexander Vindman, the former lieutenant colonel who testified dramatically against Trump, told me.

    Vindman said the United States should have spent Trump’s term “hardening” Ukraine to “prevent Russia from thinking this is a viable course of action.”

    All this is particularly pressing, given that Trump is likely to run for president again. The simplest way to illustrate this is by recalling five other things Trump did with regard to Zelensky and Ukraine:


    1. Spread propaganda about Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election


    As early as 2017, Trump began voicing the conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 presidential election. This was one of the things Trump pressured Zelensky to “investigate” while withholding military aid.

    It’s complete nonsense, and crucially, it echoed Russian propaganda that had a geopolitical purpose. Putin himself reportedly put this idea in Trump’s head. And Fiona Hill, then a top national security official, testified that this propaganda helped Russia by deflecting attention from Russia’s own interference in 2016 and by dividing the United States from an ally.

    And don’t forget: At the time, some Republican lawmakers lent support to Trump’s lie about Ukraine, thus advancing “Russian interests,” as Hill put it.


    2. Ousted the well-regarded U.S. ambassador to Ukraine


    Trump pushed out Marie Yovanovitch in 2019, after his lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani mounted a smear campaign against her. Yovanovitch was perceived as disloyal to Trump.

    Here again the move apparently advanced Russia’s geopolitical interests at Ukraine’s expense. As the House impeachment report details, it hampered the United States’ ability to develop relations with Ukraine amid a “period of transition” — Zelensky was then a new president — and amid efforts to fend off Russian aggression.


    3. Froze military assistance to Ukraine


    Well before extorting Zelensky, Trump alarmed officials by freezing military aid to Ukraine that Congress had appropriated, but without meaningful policy justification. Crucially, officials subsequently testified that granting this aid was important in dissuading Russian aggression, which would be in European and U.S. interests.


    4. Withheld a White House meeting from Zelensky


    In 2019, Trump communicated in various ways to Zelensky that a much-sought-after White House meeting would be conditioned on doing his corrupt dirt-digging on Joe Biden.

    Numerous high level officials later testified that this meeting was critical to Zelensky. It would grant him prestige and send an international message that the United States was siding with Ukraine against Russian aggression.


    5. Turned Ukraine policy over to Giuliani


    This was one of the most shocking subplots: Trump repeatedly instructed Zelensky to contact Giuliani to discuss what Zelensky would be required to do to please Trump. Giuliani’s circumvention of national security protocols deeply alarmed officials.

    That effectively handed potential influence over the future of U.S.-Ukraine relations to Trump’s personal lawyer — to the ringleader of the scheme to pressure Ukraine into helping Trump further corrupt our own elections.

    All this has important forward-looking implications, now that Trump may run for president again. As president in 2025, he’d be stewarding relations with Russia, Ukraine and NATO, but after this war has unfolded.

    Right now we’re seeing extraordinary unity among the United States and its allies as it imposes harsh sanctions on Russia and otherwise tries to dissuade Putin’s invasion. Trump would almost surely rupture that.

    “With Trump as president in 2025, we’re quite likely looking at a world in which Russia may have achieved its objectives and folded Ukraine back into its sphere of influence,” Vindman told me.

    Even if Russia falls short, Vindman added, Trump would be president at a time when “a belligerent, aggressive Russia wants to rebuild the Soviet Union” and “potentially get back the Baltics.”

    This could be made worse, Vindman said, given “Trump’s established preferences” to “continue to weaken NATO and serve Russia.” The result could be “enormous instability.”

    So Trump’s track record on Ukraine is about far more than his own personal corruption. It also raises questions about what would happen if Trump is president again in the aftermath of Russia’s conquest — questions that, to put it mildly, are deeply unsettling indeed.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ukraine-putin/

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    Trump did Putin's bidding in regards Ukraine and Zelensky, period. What a POS.

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    • #3
      Washington post lol

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      • #4
        Originally posted by W*GS View Post
        Trump did Putin's bidding in regards Ukraine and Zelensky, period. What a POS.
        Yep.

        It went way beyond tRump extorting Zelensky for help with the 2020 election.

        That treasonous jackal worked to advance Russia’s foreign policy agenda for four years.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Agent Zero View Post
            Washington post lol
            Can you offer up an honest rebuttal to any of the 5 points in that "lol" article?

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            • #7

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mozzafiato View Post

                Can you offer up an honest rebuttal to any of the 5 points in that "lol" article?
                LOL. Consider who you’re asking the question.

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                • #9
                  More inconvenient facts for Trump/Putin fluffers…


                  Russia just doubled their interest rates to try to prop up the Ruble. 80% of Russian forex transactions are conducted in U.S. dollars, to which they no longer have access as they've been disconnected from most international banking systems, and Russia's stock market is currently offline.

                  It would appear that Russia will run out of resources to continue their offensive within about 72-96 hours.

                  Their economy has been hobbled in less than a week.

                  U.S. Intel and the Biden administration did a masterful job of undercutting Russia's propaganda and rallying international support and NATO seems to be more unified than at any point within the last decade.

                  Trump's former campaign manager - and Putin's former employee - was indicted for conspiracy against the United States before being pardoned by Trump. Trump attempted to hobble and withdraw from NATO. And Trump was impeached for attempting to extort Ukrainian President Zelenskyy by withholding defense funding unless Zelenskyy agreed to fabricate useful dirt on Trump's political rival.

                  Zelenskyy is now an international hero. NATO is stronger than ever. Russia is on a fast track to becoming a failed state. Ukraine will continue to be free. The Biden administration facilitated nearly all if this without putting a single boot on the ground or firing a bullet.

                  Trump is in Orlando complaining about the tyranny of Democrats and rehashing the same false election claims that racked up more than 40 losses in court - many under judges he himself appointed.

                  It's all shaping up to be a resounding victory for Democracy and the international community, under Biden's leadership, with near-universal international support, including from historically neutral nations.

                  ... But gas prices have temporarily gone up a few cents.

                  Republicans: sEe!? BiDen iS a fAiLeD pReSiDenT!!

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                  • #10
                    Just making shit up.



                    how about Biden quid pro quo for his cheese smoking crack addict?


                    OP looks like a chiefs fan.


                    You clowns said WW3 was going to happen back in 2016. Wrong. No wars. No chaos.

                    fast forward to a democrat zombie president and Afghanistan is a complete disaster….WW3 is about to happen….China gaining momentum to kill the world since their engineered virus didn’t….cost of living/inflation/gas prices highest in American history….

                    Total shit show.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Agent Zero View Post
                      Washington post lol
                      All they do is bash others “sources” and links.

                      then puts up an Washington post garble….who’s been caught more times lying than Clinton has lied about fondling kids.

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                      • #12
                        Here’s Washington Post showing Trump tried to do more good and Biden ****ed it up :

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...fense-ukraine/




                        FAR more damaging to Ukraine than OPs Bullshit.

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                        • #13
                          ^

                          Hard to believe treasonous scum bags like tRump, Manafort, Giuliani, et al, still have supporters at this stage of the game.

                          Oh well - even serial killers have groupies, it’s true.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post
                            More inconvenient facts for Trump/Putin fluffers…


                            Russia just doubled their interest rates to try to prop up the Ruble. 80% of Russian forex transactions are conducted in U.S. dollars, to which they no longer have access as they've been disconnected from most international banking systems, and Russia's stock market is currently offline.

                            It would appear that Russia will run out of resources to continue their offensive within about 72-96 hours.

                            Their economy has been hobbled in less than a week.

                            U.S. Intel and the Biden administration did a masterful job of undercutting Russia's propaganda and rallying international support and NATO seems to be more unified than at any point within the last decade.

                            Trump's former campaign manager - and Putin's former employee - was indicted for conspiracy against the United States before being pardoned by Trump. Trump attempted to hobble and withdraw from NATO. And Trump was impeached for attempting to extort Ukrainian President Zelenskyy by withholding defense funding unless Zelenskyy agreed to fabricate useful dirt on Trump's political rival.

                            Zelenskyy is now an international hero. NATO is stronger than ever. Russia is on a fast track to becoming a failed state. Ukraine will continue to be free. The Biden administration facilitated nearly all if this without putting a single boot on the ground or firing a bullet.

                            Trump is in Orlando complaining about the tyranny of Democrats and rehashing the same false election claims that racked up more than 40 losses in court - many under judges he himself appointed.

                            It's all shaping up to be a resounding victory for Democracy and the international community, under Biden's leadership, with near-universal international support, including from historically neutral nations.

                            ... But gas prices have temporarily gone up a few cents.

                            Republicans: sEe!? BiDen iS a fAiLeD pReSiDenT!!
                            wOrSt PoTuS iN HiStOrY!!!! 🥴

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                              Just making shit up.



                              how about Biden quid pro quo for his cheese smoking crack addict?


                              OP looks like a chiefs fan.


                              You clowns said WW3 was going to happen back in 2016. Wrong. No wars. No chaos.

                              fast forward to a democrat zombie president and Afghanistan is a complete disaster….WW3 is about to happen….China gaining momentum to kill the world since their engineered virus didn’t….cost of living/inflation/gas prices highest in American history….

                              Total shit show.
                              Lol ok

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post
                                ^

                                Hard to believe treasonous scum bags like tRump, Manafort, Giuliani, et al, still have supporters at this stage of the game.

                                Oh well - even serial killers have groupies, it’s true.
                                Not a pretty thing to watch!!!!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

                                  All they do is bash others “sources” and links.

                                  then puts up an Washington post garble….who’s been caught more times lying than Clinton has lied about fondling kids.
                                  There's photographic evidence of Trump fondling a kid -- even worse, that kid is his own daughter.

                                  (btw, Monica Lewinsky wasn't "a kid"; she was an adult).

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                                  • #18
                                    The American people seem to forget shit that happens within days of it happening, if not minutes. Is it wide-spread medication? Bombardment of technology? Staring at cell phones all day? Stress?

                                    Try to engage these people anymore and all you get is, "Ugh. Me like Trump. Trump good. Trump leader."

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Roh View Post
                                      The American people seem to forget shit that happens within days of it happening, if not minutes. Is it wide-spread medication? Bombardment of technology? Staring at cell phones all day? Stress?

                                      Try to engage these people anymore and all you get is, "Ugh. Me like Trump. Trump good. Trump leader."
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post
                                        More inconvenient facts for Trump/Putin fluffers…


                                        Russia just doubled their interest rates to try to prop up the Ruble. 80% of Russian forex transactions are conducted in U.S. dollars, to which they no longer have access as they've been disconnected from most international banking systems, and Russia's stock market is currently offline.

                                        It would appear that Russia will run out of resources to continue their offensive within about 72-96 hours.

                                        Their economy has been hobbled in less than a week.

                                        U.S. Intel and the Biden administration did a masterful job of undercutting Russia's propaganda and rallying international support and NATO seems to be more unified than at any point within the last decade.

                                        Trump's former campaign manager - and Putin's former employee - was indicted for conspiracy against the United States before being pardoned by Trump. Trump attempted to hobble and withdraw from NATO. And Trump was impeached for attempting to extort Ukrainian President Zelenskyy by withholding defense funding unless Zelenskyy agreed to fabricate useful dirt on Trump's political rival.

                                        Zelenskyy is now an international hero. NATO is stronger than ever. Russia is on a fast track to becoming a failed state. Ukraine will continue to be free. The Biden administration facilitated nearly all if this without putting a single boot on the ground or firing a bullet.

                                        Trump is in Orlando complaining about the tyranny of Democrats and rehashing the same false election claims that racked up more than 40 losses in court - many under judges he himself appointed.

                                        It's all shaping up to be a resounding victory for Democracy and the international community, under Biden's leadership, with near-universal international support, including from historically neutral nations.

                                        ... But gas prices have temporarily gone up a few cents.

                                        Republicans: sEe!? BiDen iS a fAiLeD pReSiDenT!!

                                        Sorted out my favorite excerpts! HAHA Russia is facing financial calamity! Trump still has small hands and is a total loser! Democrats might have a nice win on their hands!

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                                          fast forward to a democrat zombie president and Afghanistan is a complete disaster….WW3 is about to happen….China gaining momentum to kill the world since their engineered virus didn’t….cost of living/inflation/gas prices highest in American history….
                                          Most of these things have little, if anything, to do with Biden. As has been explained numerous times. And there are also very good explanations, which have also been provided, as to why this Ukraine mess didn't happen while Trump was POTUS.

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                                          • #22
                                            Originally posted by Mozzafiato View Post

                                            Most of these things have little, if anything, to do with Biden. As has been explained numerous times. And there are also very good explanations, which have also been provided, as to why this Ukraine mess didn't happen while Trump was POTUS.

                                            The Trump-led Republican party does not openly support Putin, but the Republican party’s animus toward democracy is expressed in ways familiar to Putin and other autocrats.

                                            Trump Republicans continue to refuse to acknowledge the outcome of the 2020 election, claiming without evidence that it was “stolen” from Trump. In many states, on the basis of this big lie, they are making it more difficult for people who don’t share their beliefs to vote.

                                            In several states they are laying the groundwork for ignoring the popular vote altogether and throwing a future presidential election to Trump or another strongman. They have stopped even pretending to be the party of free speech: they are banning books from schools and prohibiting teachers from talking about America’s struggles against racism and homophobia.

                                            Putin’s attack on Ukraine, starting 24 February, and the attack by followers of Donald Trump on the United States Capitol on 6 January 2021 are different, of course, but they resemble one another in their contempt for democratic institutions and their attempts to justify violence by asserting a threat to a dominant racial or ethnic group.

                                            Each also represents the logical culmination of leadership by a dangerous narcissist who flagrantly lies about his intentions and his opponents and who sees the world only in terms of his personal power.

                                            Donald Trump has long admired Vladimir Putin who, evidence shows, personally authorized a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Trump in the 2016 US presidential election. Believing that a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, Russia’s spy agencies were ordered to use “all possible force” to ensure Trump’s victory.

                                            Again in the 2020 election, according to a recently unclassified report by the US office of the Director of National Intelligence, Putin authorized “influence operations” aimed at “supporting Trump” and “denigrating President Biden’s candidacy”.

                                            Presumably Putin supported Trump in 2016 and in 2020 in part because of Trump’s disdain for Nato. As president, Trump did all he could to undermine the organization, even suggesting the US should withdraw from it. Is it pure coincidence that once Trump was out of office and Nato remained intact, Putin attacked Ukraine?

                                            Defending democracy and standing up against authoritarian neo-fascism requires courage. In 2019, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, refused Trump’s demand for help in rigging the 2020 election in the United States, even after Trump threatened to withhold money Congress had appropriated to help Ukraine resist Russian expansion.


                                            https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ty-trump-putin

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                                            • #23
                                              People think Trump is bad. Scott or Cruz would be magnitudes worse.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

                                                There's photographic evidence of Trump fondling a kid -- even worse, that kid is his own daughter.

                                                (btw, Monica Lewinsky wasn't "a kid"; she was an adult).
                                                Unsurprisingly, he’s also wrong about the WA Post being “caught lying…”

                                                Just the usual “anything I don’t like is fake news” Trumpanzee reaction.

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