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  • "Why do this?" and other questions about the new board.

    Why do this? It’s a fair question. I decided to do it after the Mane had been shuttered for about two weeks. I missed the Mane. I think of the friendships I made in almost twenty years there, and I miss those friendships. I was with the Mane for the good times, and the bad. There were circumstances during the bad that will be completely eliminated here. Mainly, we will be able to quickly fix problems that arise. I will be here at least partially every day. If something needs to be fixed, I can fix it in real time. You cannot imagine how much difference that would have made with the Mane.

    Why not just migrate to a different board? Also a fair question. To be honest, I just don’t feel as if I belong. There seems to be a tight group of long-term posters there. And we have had a group of long-term posters ourselves. To see them scatter to various Internet locales has been hard. Additionally, we have lost some GREAT posters and people over the years. The common theme I hear from them about why they left is just how uncivil everything became. I would like to invite those posters back to give us a chance. I think they’ll see some positive changes.

    What kinds of changes? Well, first and foremost, the first rule in our terms of service is “Be civil.” We are realistic about the fact that there are going to be disagreements on any board. But it’s one thing to say, “Hey, I disagree with you.” And it’s another thing to say, “You are such a dumb shit! You’re just wrong!” There were some posters on the Mane who just became acidic to everyone they talked to. Those posters will be given a chance to change. And if they don’t, they will be invited to post somewhere else. I won’t trade ten great posters to keep one crotchety one.

    Also, I like to think we can continue or reinstate some of the things that made the Mane great back in the day. JCMElway has already agreed to run the mock draft here. Someone in the offseason will run a Survivor game. We’ll do fantasy football here, like we have in the past. There will be tailgating opportunities. The goal will be to make this the community it once was, where people liked and cared about each other.

    There will be a rep system, coming right out of the gate.

    And you’ll notice what I think you’ll agree are positive changes in the way the board is moderated.`

    Who is invited? Some thought has been put into this. At first, the thought was to withhold invitations to those who might have been troublemakers in the past. But the more we thought about it, the less we liked that approach. We have many, many more tools now to deal with troublesome posters. And some, if they act like they have at times in the past, will find their stay here to be quite short. But, as far as I’m concerned, everyone is welcome, and everyone will start from a clean slate.

    Is the Mane any part of this? I reached out to TJ before I started putting this together. I consider him a friend, and I love and admire what he provided for so long with the Mane. I would have never done anything like this while the Mane was operating. It’s no secret that TJ’s life responsibilities kept him away more than he would have liked, over the past few years. TJ wished us luck, and even provided some guidance as to pitfalls to avoid, along the way. I would truly love it if he ever posted here. While this has no connection to the Mane, I obviously used a lot of what we had at the Mane as inspiration for this. TJ has plans for the future of the Mane. I am not privy to them, but I will wholeheartedly support them when he is ready to roll them out.


    I believe that’s it, for now. If you have questions, fire away in the posts below.

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    I appreciate the effort Dom.

    My two cents, delete the politics and religion sub. It’ll turn into a cesspool of hate and discontent. Kill it before it turns into a problem.






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    • R8R H8R
      R8R H8R commented
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      Yes, get rid of it. WRP was the root of many evils on the Mane.

    • Broncocalijohn
      Broncocalijohn commented
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      Good way to get rid of LABF if it is gone. Right now , I see politics on a football page mixed with football discussions.

    • Broncocalijohn
      Broncocalijohn commented
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      Good way to get rid of LABF if it is gone. Right now , I see politics on a football page mixed with football discussions.

  • #3
    Originally posted by Fireball View Post
    I appreciate the effort Dom.

    My two cents, delete the politics and religion sub. It’ll turn into a cesspool of hate and discontent. Kill it before it turns into a problem.





    We talked about that. The problem with WRP was that we were mostly powerless to do anything to resolve issues. Some things that we can now do that we couldn't do before.

    1) We can hand out forum bans. (We can banish someone from Politics and Religion, but let them post elsewhere).

    2) We can hand out permanent bans from the site. (I don't want to do that - ever. Everything is happy now. It won't be - soon. But we all get angry. I don't mind angry. What we won't do is allow people to be perpetually abusive. If you look at a list of great posters we've lost over the last 20 years, it's pretty amazing - just great people. I bet 50% would list their top reason for leaving as "got tired of the abuse." We'll have to make subjective decisions - like, we can't trade ten good posters for one bad poster. I'm hoping the mere threat that we're serious about it will be a deterrence. Because like I said, I want everyone to be welcome here. Everyone has a clean slate. I mean everyone.

    3) We can dramatically restrict the registration process. We get bombed with fake accounts? We turn on new poster moderation. Nobody wants to go to the trouble of spamming the board with registrations if they have to make ten regular posts before they can start their crap.

    4) We have A LOT more leeway with IP bans.

    5) For a nuclear option, we could make Religion and Politics a 100% opt-in forum. That would effectively serve as a firewall for the rest of the forum.

    6) As an even bigger nuclear option, we could turn it off.

    I know this is a long post. But I want people to post here. If their thing is politics more than the Broncos, that's fine. The Orangemane was a home for people for all those years. It's just been maybe the last five that it got toxic.

    One last thing. I've passed the life stage that TJ is in. I wouldn't have been able to do this at his stage. TJ is honestly a great guy. I have family issues. But part of my family issues involve me sitting around, waiting. This is a good distraction.

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    • #4
      Originally posted by Fireball View Post
      I appreciate the effort Dom.

      My two cents, delete the politics and religion sub. It’ll turn into a cesspool of hate and discontent. Kill it before it turns into a problem.





      Who are you, by the way? Do I know you as someone else? I'm going to have to keep a spreadsheet. 😄

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      • #5
        Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

        Who are you, by the way? Do I know you as someone else? I'm going to have to keep a spreadsheet. 😄
        I’m Fireball. It’s possible we’ve met in a parallel universe. 😉

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        • #6
          Originally posted by Fireball View Post

          I’m Fireball. It’s possible we’ve met in a parallel universe. 😉
          Ah, I KNEW it!

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          • #7
            For the sake of OM legacy, we should have a "race to 1000 posts" --- maybe even a bragging-rights prediction of who will get there first. On the Mane, it was Amesj who captured that honor -- but only because at the time he had a faster internet connection that I did. LOL

            FWIW, it looks like 1Percent just might be a good contender here---

            Down memory lane -- at the time that I made my 1000th post on the Mane, no one had any idea I was -- not male.

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            • KranzDictum
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              I would like my post count to start at 50k. I was in like the top 8 when the old board got shut down.

          • #8
            Originally posted by Blueflame View Post
            For the sake of OM legacy, we should have a "race to 1000 posts" --- maybe even a bragging-rights prediction of who will get there first. On the Mane, it was Amesj who captured that honor -- but only because at the time he had a faster internet connection that I did. LOL

            FWIW, it looks like 1Percent just might be a good contender here---

            Down memory lane -- at the time that I made my 1000th post on the Mane, no one had any idea I was -- not male.
            Depending on the viability of reviving the Boobs and Butts thread I could get to 1,000 by this afternoon.

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Blueflame View Post
              For the sake of OM legacy, we should have a "race to 1000 posts" --- maybe even a bragging-rights prediction of who will get there first. On the Mane, it was Amesj who captured that honor -- but only because at the time he had a faster internet connection that I did. LOL

              FWIW, it looks like 1Percent just might be a good contender here---

              Down memory lane -- at the time that I made my 1000th post on the Mane, no one had any idea I was -- not male.
              A few could reach that quick if they post in the game day threads!

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              • #10
                Thanks Dom. The Mane and it’s posters are a great group, very grateful for the effort here. It just wasn’t the same anywhere else.

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                • #11
                  We’re back!!!

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                  • #12
                    Thanks for doing this, glad to be "back".

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                    • #13
                      Glad to see you resurrected the OM vibe Dom. I went dormant there a long time ago. But happy to see you bringing back the vibe from the earlier days.

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                      • #14
                        Nice to have it back. I was a long time lurker once I stopped making the highlight videos after we lost to the steelers in the AFCCG in 06. Didn't realize how much I would miss checking the board daily until it was gone.

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by Brom66an6 View Post
                          Nice to have it back. I was a long time lurker once I stopped making the highlight videos after we lost to the steelers in the AFCCG in 06. Didn't realize how much I would miss checking the board daily until it was gone.
                          Seriously - glad you joined us!

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                          • #16
                            Hi and I’m glad we’re back

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                            • #17
                              Can we keep this board free of Chiefs fans?

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                              • #18
                                Originally posted by Pogo View Post
                                Can we keep this board free of Chiefs fans?
                                No. I actually love that part of it. We can make sure they stay reasonably decent. But there is going to come a time - I believe sooner, rather than later - when we kick their asses. I want them here for that.

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                                • #19
                                  Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

                                  No. I actually love that part of it. We can make sure they stay reasonably decent. But there is going to come a time - I believe sooner, rather than later - when we kick their asses. I want them here for that.
                                  That really was the most fun, Dom. Those tables need to turn again. The universe is out of balance. There's a disturbance in the Force.

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                                  • #20
                                    Dom... You are a glutton for punishment, but i'm glad you did it. 🤜🤛

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                                    • #21
                                      I was ready to give up football forums for good and then I got a PM from Dom...Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

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                                      • #22
                                        If I were to make my own football board, I would abandon the free reign rules of the Mane in its heyday for more control in the interest in garnering civility. I just think the climate being what it is these days, we can't let things get personal like you could in '05.

                                        1. No personal attacks on people. You can attack a point or what they say, and even how they're saying it. But you can't attack someone personally.
                                        2. No hijacking threads.
                                        3. Stricter enforcement of letting politics, religion or other kinds of divisive talk entering into threads it doesn't belong.
                                        4. Institute a "dead horse" rule that prevents people from spamming every thread with the same point, no matter how loosely relevant. This would stop people saying things like "start Tebow" in every thread all day long.

                                        Obviously there is always gray area, but I feel like if you want this place to be appealing, you need to turn down the fighting and griping. It got pretty toxic at the end there.

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                                        • R8R H8R
                                          R8R H8R commented
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                                          I agree. There is a difference between constructive criticism of an argument and attacking the messenger.

                                      • #23
                                        That’s describing BroncosCountry and BroncosForums. 2 highly boring places with easily offended posters. The climate didn’t change people did. Today’s society is mentally weak and easily offended. Those were Golden days in the past due to crazy freaks more so than deconstructing zone blocking schemes. Traffic crawls to a minimum when it’s about interior OL techniques..Of course theres always a line that needs to be drawn..can’t have a true Wild West or it looks like Paddy’s Pub when they had no rules. I highly recommend watching that episode and comparing it to this situation of Old OM. “Charlie goes America all over everyone’s asses”. Great comparison.


                                        I think Dom nailed it in what he presented in the original post of this thread. It’s not entirely the OM approach which is better. It’s cleaning up in the areas needed without becoming boring BroncosCountry.
                                        Last edited by The1percentKid; 08-30-2021, 09:46 AM.

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                                        • #24
                                          I obviously disagree. The OM board blew up when the reporting on actual football information was coming in. We found a lot of good analysts that came out of the woodwork. People enjoyed drunken rants about "Meth Alley" but that isn't why people stayed. The angry attacks on others is what drove a lot of people off. And I think the main people defending keeping that are the ones doing the abusing.

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                                          • #25
                                            Originally posted by Kaylore View Post
                                            I obviously disagree. The OM board blew up when the reporting on actual football information was coming in. We found a lot of good analysts that came out of the woodwork. People enjoyed drunken rants about "Meth Alley" but that isn't why people stayed. The angry attacks on others is what drove a lot of people off. And I think the main people defending keeping that are the ones doing the abusing.


                                            see what you did here? You claim to want a utopia then throw up a shot at me on the last sentence. Passive aggressive you always were.(I’m joking ya….or is that my passive aggressive showing) ..


                                            the main reason people left wasn’t due to hostility. It was due to the change of the format. I knew at least 20 posters who stopped posting because of that. And yes I agree a portion of people left because of fighting. But there was far more fighting around 2009-12 than any other time on this board. A good clip of people passed away too. 20 years is a long time.

                                            Jhns was the worst poster the OM has ever seen IMO. And he stopped posting years ago. It wasnt all cake back then. The reports started to become extinct the moment twitter went online. Where once it was needed to come to a board to find good info, it’s not needed now. Message boards have evolved from that to more just everyone stating opinions. What happens then? Arguing and conflict will happen. Just the nature of a message board today compared to years past…
                                            Last edited by The1percentKid; 08-30-2021, 10:27 AM.

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