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**KorbenDallas** · 01-30-2022, 02:29 AM

How in the world do you have Gretzky #1 who has 4 rings vs Brady and Ruth having 7 rings and Jordan having 6?

**BroncoBuff** · 01-30-2022, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by KorbenDallas

How in the world do you have Gretzky #1 who has 4 rings vs Brady and Ruth having 7 rings and Jordan having 6?

Short answer, stats. Long answer, staaaats.

Wayne Gretzky racked up such gaudy numbers, the game itself changed. He won the Hart Trophy - MVP - I think every one of his first ten years in the league. He scored the most goals in one season ever, he had the most assists in one season ever. He scored the most goals in a career, and had the most assists in a career. Much like Ruth, he did things previously unthinkable. Imagine, say, Broncos draft a rookie like Carson Strong this year, and next season he throws 73 touchdown passes.

John Wooden famously said, "Go fast, but don't hurry."

Gretzky famously said, "Most guys try to go where the puck is. What I do different is - I go where the puck is going to be."

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Your focus seems to be rings, which is fine. But if I looked at it like that, my #1 choice might be Bill Russell. He led the Celtics to their first title as a rookie, then won 12 or more championships as a player, player coach and head coach. Oh, and two NCAA national championships in college at the University of San Francisco.

Now, the truth is that, as a pure athlete, Wilt Chamberlain was the 'Secretariat' of the human race. Bigger, stronger, faster than anybody, maybe ever. But when it came to winning games and championships, Bill Russell happily told him "Wilt, eat your heart out."

**cousinal11** · 01-30-2022, 08:11 AM

Jordan
Ruth
Brady
Gretzky

That'd be my list. NBA is such an individual sport. Gretzky penalized for being 4th major sport. Ruth could be #1 but it was so long ago & I'm not 117 years old. Brady deserves to be called the NFL's GOAT, but I believe MJ has been called the GOAT for decades.

Tough to not give each #1 honestly.

**elsid13** · 01-30-2022, 08:15 AM

Bill Russell > Jordon

**69bronco** · 01-30-2022, 08:18 AM

Brady isn’t best of all time at his own sport or position imo thats Pfm

**cousinal11** · 01-30-2022, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by elsid13

Bill Russell > Jordon

I am a big Bill Russell guy but the era gap is huge & the game transformed tremendously.

When Russell joined the pros, there were 8 teams in the league. When Jordan joined the pros, 6 teams made the Playoffs in the Eastern Conference.

I know about Russell's elimination record & his college career but when I think of GOAT, Jordan is it in my opinion. Agree to disagree.

**BroncoBeavis** · 01-30-2022, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by KorbenDallas

How in the world do you have Gretzky #1 who has 4 rings vs Brady and Ruth having 7 rings and Jordan having 6?

That's a dumb argument in one sport let alone across 4 sports. Especially baseball. The greatest single players there rarely touch the world series year to year. Next to no correlation.

**elsid13** · 01-30-2022, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by cousinal11

I am a big Bill Russell guy but the era gap is huge & the game transformed tremendously.

When Russell joined the pros, there were 8 teams in the league. When Jordan joined the pros, 6 teams made the Playoffs in the Eastern Conference.

I know about Russell's elimination record & his college career but when I think of GOAT, Jordan is it in my opinion. Agree to disagree.

I understand, but I think Russel and few others can play in any era. Plus in this poll like this why does Babe Ruth get pass on that argument on the era thing

**The1percentKid** · 01-30-2022, 09:00 AM

Different eras. For example Baseball was much different for obvious reasons back then.

A Jordan
B Brady
C Gretzky
D Ruth

**cousinal11** · 01-30-2022, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by elsid13

I understand, but I think Russel and few others can play in any era. Plus in this poll like this why does Babe Ruth get pass on that argument on the era thing

He was definitely way ahead of his time. 'The Sandlot' is the difference maker for me.

**qbronco** · 01-30-2022, 09:27 AM

1. Ruth
2. Gretzky
3. Jordan
4. Brady

**Old Coyote** · 01-30-2022, 12:31 PM

Jim Thorpe.

End of list.

Dude played RB & QB & LB & Kicker & Punter. He won the Olympic Decathlon (back when it had events that wusses like Bruce Jenner could never win, Like Greek wrestling.) and he won the Olympic Pentathlon too. Not only that but he won outright in almost every event so there was never a doubt. He was a champion in football, baseball, track and lacrosse, and also dominated in hockey, handball, tennis, boxing and ballroom dancing... Winning multiple trophies for each.

To add to how bad ass he was:
Jim's shoes were stolen right before the Decathlon started. He was changing clothes and some assholes took all his shoes. So with minutes before the event he searched through trash cans and found two different sized shoes. He stuffed an extra sock in one because it was too big. Then he kicked everyone's asses in mismatched non-athletic shoes.

A Hundred years later and he is still the greatest athlete of all time.

**Mile High Salute** · 01-30-2022, 06:41 PM

This thread should be ban-worthy.

**Garcia Bronco** · 01-30-2022, 07:43 PM

Brady
Jordan
Wayne
Bonds

Baby Ruth...lmao

**BroncoBuff** · 02-02-2022, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by elsid13

Bill Russell > Jordon

Other than me, you're the only one ranking Jordan 4th or lower.

To me he was the easiest #4 ranking. Ruth and Gretzky managed stats and records FAR beyond the previous leaders, and that changed their sports. But heck, Magic won 5 rings, the first as a rookie - playing center. Plus all Bill Russell's 12-odd rings and DPOY awards (and cousinal's point there were just 8 NBA teams then).

I think Jordan is the GOAT, but to me he's #4 in these rankings.

Originally posted by Mile High Salute

This thread should be ban-worthy.

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**gunns** · 02-02-2022, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by BroncoBuff

Short answer, stats. Long answer, staaaats.

Wayne Gretzky racked up such gaudy numbers, the game itself changed. He won the Hart Trophy - MVP - I think every one of his first ten years in the league. He scored the most goals in one season ever, he had the most assists in one season ever. He scored the most goals in a career, and had the most assists in a career. Much like Ruth, he did things previously unthinkable. Imagine, say, Broncos draft a rookie like Carson Strong this year, and next season he throws 73 touchdown passes.

John Wooden famously said, "Go fast, but don't hurry."

Gretzky famously said, "Most guys try to go where the puck is. What I do different is - I go where the puck is going to be."

_______

Your focus seems to be rings, which is fine. But if I looked at it like that, my #1 choice might be Bill Russell. He led the Celtics to their first title as a rookie, then won 12 or more championships as a player, player coach and head coach. Oh, and two NCAA national championships in college at the University of San Francisco.

Now, the truth is that, as a pure athlete, Wilt Chamberlain was the 'Secretariat' of the human race. Bigger, stronger, faster than anybody, maybe ever. But when it came to winning games and championships, Bill Russell happily told him "Wilt, eat your heart out."

Was wondering where he was on that list.

**Mile High Salute** · 02-02-2022, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by BroncoBuff

Other than me, you're the only one ranking Jordan 4th or lower.

To me he was the easiest #4 ranking. Ruth and Gretzky managed stats and records FAR beyond the previous leaders, and that changed their sports. But heck, Magic won 5 rings, the first as a rookie - playing center. Plus all Bill Russell's 12-odd rings and DPOY awards (and cousinal's point there were just 8 NBA teams then).

I think Jordan is the GOAT, but to me he's #4 in these rankings.

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Elway and Manning were both better than Brady IMO. Lots of other quarterbacks in the GOAT conversation too, and the cheating during Brady’s career can’t be ignored either. Plus plenty of great players at other positions who should be in the GOAT conversation. I knew when he retired lots of people were gonna crown his ass (copyright, Denny Green), but didn’t expect Broncos fans to jump on board too. (Not good!!!!) Both Manning and Elway belong in the same conversation. Elway would’ve destroyed today’s NFL in much the same way that Mahomes is now. 🤷🏼‍♂️

**listopencil** · 02-02-2022, 09:42 AM

Worst Quarterback ever.

**BroncoBuff** · 02-02-2022, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by gunns

Was wondering where he was on that list.

If I had been completely forthcoming, I would've said Russell, I always do. Two NCAA Championships as a junior and senior, gold medalist at the 1956 Olympics, rookie year was the Celtics' 1st NBA Championship - total 11 titles in 13 years as player and player-coach - 5x NBA MVP, 11x 1st or 2nd team All-NBA. Sure, there were just 8 teams then (in his rookie year, expanded to 14 before he retired). So what if there were 20 teams? He would've won what, judt seven?

Problem is - at least until this thread - nobody buys into my Bill Russell thing. After all, career just 15.1 ppg (plus 22.5 RPG 4.5 APG). I didn't wanna argue over that, so I went with a can't miss - Jordan.

**BroncoBuff** · 02-02-2022, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by listopencil

Worst Quarterback ever.

Well, in the season that just ended he threw for more yards than any season he played.

He played 20 years (22-minus injury and rookie years), and logged:
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10 Super Bowls in 20 years
14 Championship games in 20 yrs
Made playoffs 19 of 20 years
11-plus wins in 17 of 20 years
Never a .500 or sub-.500 season
Changed teams at 42 years old
Tampa Bay hadn't been to playoffs in 13 years
Won three straight road playoff games in 3 weeks
Playoff wins vs. All-time Top 10 QBs - Brees, Rodgers
Final season started all 17, threw for most yards ever
Final season his offense #2 in NFL in yards and points

Nice to see you and couple others LOYAL TO THE BRONCOS ... but I'm tryna go for reality here.

**gunns** · 02-02-2022, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by BroncoBuff

If I had been completely forthcoming, I would've said Russell, I always do. Two NCAA Championships as a junior and senior, gold medalist at the 1956 Olympics, rookie year was the Celtics' 1st NBA Championship - total 11 titles in 13 years as player and player-coach - 5x NBA MVP, 11x 1st or 2nd team All-NBA. Sure, there were just 8 teams then (in his rookie year, expanded to 14 before he retired). So what if there were 20 teams? He would've won what, judt seven?

Problem is - at least until this thread - nobody buys into my Bill Russell thing. After all, career just 15.1 ppg (plus 22.5 RPG 4.5 APG). I didn't wanna argue over that, so I went with a can't miss - Jordan.

The reason that is is because Russell's greatness was his defense. Yes, I love defense no matter the sport.

**go_broncos** · 02-02-2022, 01:17 PM

Tom Brady
Michael Jordan
Babe Ruth
Wayne Gretzky

**quoydogs** · 02-02-2022, 01:18 PM

**** Tom Brandy ,the guy cheated, end of story. Same as Barry Bonds , he cheated and got the boot.

**BroncoBuff** · 02-02-2022, 06:56 PM

1. Tom Brady
1. Wayne Gretzky

1.. Bill Russell
3. Babe Ruth
4. Michael Jordan

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