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    Fangios 4th down decision

    So I was thinking about this. Fangio would go on 4th down many times this year with the goal of scoring a TD or trying to win the game.

    down 7 with 4 minutes to go short field game doesn’t matter for playoffs etc….and he kicks a FG. Why? That was so out of character for him.

    what’s Denver’s draft spot had they won that game? Did he do it on purpose knowing Denver would get a better draft pick? A loss Helps the team more so than a win there(aside from stopping chiefs streak).

    I’m starting to think the plan was to kick it and take the better draft picks in each round. Regardless if he thought he’d stay or be fired.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
    So I was thinking about this. Fangio would go on 4th down many times this year with the goal of scoring a TD or trying to win the game.

    down 7 with 4 minutes to go short field game doesn’t matter for playoffs etc….and he kicks a FG. Why? That was so out of character for him.

    what’s Denver’s draft spot had they won that game? Did he do it on purpose knowing Denver would get a better draft pick? A loss Helps the team more so than a win there(aside from stopping chiefs streak).

    I’m starting to think the plan was to kick it and take the better draft picks in each round. Regardless if he thought he’d stay or be fired.
    He clearly didn’t like Lock. He could barely wish him happy bday.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
      So I was thinking about this. Fangio would go on 4th down many times this year with the goal of scoring a TD or trying to win the game.

      down 7 with 4 minutes to go short field game doesn’t matter for playoffs etc….and he kicks a FG. Why? That was so out of character for him.

      what’s Denver’s draft spot had they won that game? Did he do it on purpose knowing Denver would get a better draft pick? A loss Helps the team more so than a win there(aside from stopping chiefs streak).

      I’m starting to think the plan was to kick it and take the better draft picks in each round. Regardless if he thought he’d stay or be fired.

      Whether you tried for 7 and failed, or kicked 3, you are kind of in the same spot- need a TD. What I think was going through his mind, was if they could force the Chiefs to kick a FG, and they kicked the 3 instead of trying for a TD, they would have a chance to win the game on the last drive.

      I get the decision. If you miss that 4th down TD, the game is probably over since the chiefs were likely move the ball on that Defense. Had we been playing a different team with a different offense, his strategy makes more sense and you would feel better about it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by B-Large View Post


        Whether you tried for 7 and failed, or kicked 3, you are kind of in the same spot- need a TD. What I think was going through his mind, was if they could force the Chiefs to kick a FG, and they kicked the 3 instead of trying for a TD, they would have a chance to win the game on the last drive.

        I get the decision. If you miss that 4th down TD, the game is probably over since the chiefs were likely move the ball on that Defense. Had we been playing a different team with a different offense, his strategy makes more sense and you would feel better about it.

        except you’re playing Mahomes. Not one HC would do that IMO. A FG isn’t going to do anything when you give the ball back to Mahomes with 4 minutes.


        just odd to me.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post


          except you’re playing Mahomes. Not one HC would do that IMO. A FG isn’t going to do anything when you give the ball back to Mahomes with 4 minutes.


          just odd to me.
          Sounds like he knew he was done, so pushing for 7 would been well justified. What strikes me about that game is a team that seems to always find a way to lose. So glad its over.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
            So I was thinking about this. Fangio would go on 4th down many times this year with the goal of scoring a TD or trying to win the game.

            down 7 with 4 minutes to go short field game doesn’t matter for playoffs etc….and he kicks a FG. Why? That was so out of character for him.

            what’s Denver’s draft spot had they won that game? Did he do it on purpose knowing Denver would get a better draft pick? A loss Helps the team more so than a win there(aside from stopping chiefs streak).

            I’m starting to think the plan was to kick it and take the better draft picks in each round. Regardless if he thought he’d stay or be fired.
            If it was TB, he would have gone. Fangio doesn't trust Lock.
            It's similar to Kubiak.. kept on playing Siemian.

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            • #7
              I just can't believe a DC is that much of a pussy. Or maybe he thought they would get the ball back and rely on his shitty defense. I think it was designed to lose for draft slotting, but also not sure it would have mattered either. Either...thank God it is over with that dude coaching here.
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              • #8
                Fangio had to know that his tenure here was probably ending. Therefore, why would he care about the draft pick?

                It was 4th & long, over 4 mins left, and he had Lock as his QB. The odds are that they don’t convert. Take the points and get a stop. They didn’t get a stop, so the decision is moot.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by R8R H8R View Post
                  Fangio had to know that his tenure here was probably ending. Therefore, why would he care about the draft pick?

                  It was 4th & long, over 4 mins left, and he had Lock as his QB. The odds are that they don’t convert. Take the points and get a stop. They didn’t get a stop, so the decision is moot.
                  There is not one nfl expert that agreed with the decision. He was charred for it. Maybe they still don’t score…but not trying prevents any chance. Who gives the ball back to Mahomes to control an outcome of a game? It was massively vagina…


                  4th and 9 from the 30 yard line with 4 minutes left and Mahomes(who they weren’t stopping all game) gets the ball with less than 4 left in game. It was one of the worst decisions ive ever seen in a game that meant nothing. Meanwhile the guy goes for it on several 4th downs in his own territory when the games did count. There’s HCs who would’ve tried to tie that drive, then go for 2 since the game had no meaning.

                  the decision 100% helped Paton and every round they are picking several spots higher.
                  Last edited by The1percentKid; 01-12-2022, 10:46 AM.

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                  • R8R H8R
                    #9.1
                    R8R H8R commented
                    01-12-2022, 12:44 PM
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                    Seriously, dude, this is such a minor point in the big scheme of things. Who cares? Regardless of what he does, It wouldn't have saved his job.
                • #10
                  Fangio on the decision:

                  Said Fangio: “It’s fourth-and-9 and your odds are very low, through analytics and all that. There was enough time left that gave us a chance to get a stop and even if we gave up a field goal, we’d have a chance. If we go for it and don’t get it and they get that same field goal, then we’re down two scores with not enough time. I understand the second-guessing there but on fourth-and-9, your chances are not great.”

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

                    He clearly didn’t like Lock. He could barely wish him happy bday.
                    Yes his hate for Lock is the worst I've seen in a long time. I figure Lock must have banged his Daughter or wife or maybe both at the same time.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                      Fangio on the decision:
                      Yes I know he said that but you know how many times he went for it on 4th and long this year ? Oh and 6 yards is not that long. He is a hypocrite and a loser. He put his hate for a player above his career and gave all of the fans a losing season once again. Oddly he was fine with that at the start of the year.
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by quoydogs View Post

                        Yes his hate for Lock is the worst I've seen in a long time. I figure Lock must have banged his Daughter or wife or maybe both at the same time.
                        Just wait till Lock leaves the team then the dirty laundry will come out.

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by quoydogs View Post

                          Yes I know he said that but you know how many times he went for it on 4th and long this year ? Oh and 6 yards is not that long. He is a hypocrite and a loser. He put his hate for a player above his career and gave all of the fans a losing season once again. Oddly he was fine with that at the start of the year.
                          You are right on the $ Qdog. Fangio’s stubbornness and bias was a big part of his downfall.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                            Fangio on the decision:
                            Even worse when you are a defensive genius that can’t get a stop to save your life

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                            • #16
                              Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                              Fangio on the decision:
                              That’s just a pussy answer from him. If you’re out of playoffs last game of the year and you think you can stop Mahomes even though you haven’t all game?


                              He went for it multiple times during the year when analytics said not to.

                              Im glad that stadium booed the shit out of that decision.

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                              • #17
                                It's not like it really even matters.
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                                • R8R H8R
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                                  R8R H8R commented
                                  01-12-2022, 12:46 PM
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                                  Yes, my point exactly.
                              • #18
                                Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                                It's not like it really even matters.
                                It matters to us(broncosand future HC) because now we get better draft picks to play with.

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                                • #19
                                  Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                                  It matters to us(broncosand future HC) because now we get better draft picks to play with.
                                  Now everyone just has to root for the Rams to lose right away so the picks for Von Miller are better. 😏

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                                  • #20
                                    The game was lost on the Gordon fumble, not on Fangio's failure to go for it on 4th and 9. It was classy of Fangio not to mention it.

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                                    • #21
                                      Originally posted by Roh View Post
                                      The game was lost on the Gordon fumble, not on Fangio's failure to go for it on 4th and 9. It was classy of Fangio not to mention it.
                                      Was it a Classy move to say I know we were in scoring position but I couldn't trust my QB to get it done even though he had been getting it done all day ? I was a huge Fangio supporter through the years. But this year he blew it. Quit making excuses for the guy.

                                      He signed his termination papers when he chose totally average Teddy over what could have been in Lock. He settled for a FG before the season even started. Go look back at preseason and tell me TBW won that competition. I'll save you some time , he didn't. Whether Lock could have done it or not we will never know. But we all knew we weren't getting there with Teddy. Fangio even insisted TBW play when he was hurt and had like 67 yards in the first 3 quarters. But lock gets a sore shoulder and he kicks him off the field to the locker room ?? I might add Lock was back by the next series but Fangio still insisted Rypen keep playing for the remainder of it.

                                      At the end of the day Fangio hated lock so much he was willing to lose to keep him off the field. Anything I liked about Fangio is now gone.

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                                      • #22
                                        Originally posted by quoydogs View Post

                                        Was it a Classy move to say I know we were in scoring position but I couldn't trust my QB to get it done even though he had been getting it done all day ? I was a huge Fangio supporter through the years. But this year he blew it. Quit making excuses for the guy.

                                        He signed his termination papers when he chose totally average Teddy over what could have been in Lock. He settled for a FG before the season even started. Go look back at preseason and tell me TBW won that competition. I'll save you some time , he didn't. Whether Lock could have done it or not we will never know. But we all knew we weren't getting there with Teddy. Fangio even insisted TBW play when he was hurt and had like 67 yards in the first 3 quarters. But lock gets a sore shoulder and he kicks him off the field to the locker room ?? I might add Lock was back by the next series but Fangio still insisted Rypen keep playing for the remainder of it.

                                        At the end of the day Fangio hated lock so much he was willing to lose to keep him off the field. Anything I liked about Fangio is now gone.
                                        I don't agree with that take at all. I doubt that Fangio's decisions on Lock had anything to do his personal feelings. Lock is highly inconsistent and couldn't be depended on from drive to drive. Fangio had a good D he could count on and brought in a vet to hold the fort on offense, like hundreds of coaches have done before him. Good D. Good running game. Stability at QB. Maybe you win some games. Unfortunately, Teddy is also inconsistent, which is why he bounces around the league. Who else was available? What should teams without star QBs do until they find one?

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                                        • #23
                                          Originally posted by Roh View Post

                                          I don't agree with that take at all. I doubt that Fangio's decisions on Lock had anything to do his personal feelings. Lock is highly inconsistent and couldn't be depended on from drive to drive. Fangio had a good D he could count on and brought in a vet to hold the fort on offense, like hundreds of coaches have done before him. Good D. Good running game. Stability at QB. Maybe you win some games. Unfortunately, Teddy is also inconsistent, which is why he bounces around the league. Who else was available? What should teams without star QBs do until they find one?
                                          Not start a below average Vet when you could have someone that can get it done sitting on the bench. If you don't think Fangios personal feeling were why lock didn't play then you weren't watching this year very close. Like I said above. Fangio settled on a FG before he even started the season. Even if you take your take on this. His unwillingness to not change things is even a bigger reason he should be fired.

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                                          • #24
                                            Originally posted by quoydogs View Post

                                            Not start a below average Vet when you could have someone that can get it done sitting on the bench. If you don't think Fangios personal feeling were why lock didn't play then you weren't watching this year very close. Like I said above. Fangio settled on a FG before he even started the season. Even if you take your take on this. His unwillingness to not change things is even a bigger reason he should be fired.
                                            He was right. The analytics say the FG is the right choice. Especially with an undependable QB in the backfield. He had more faith in the D than he did the offense (given that they just coughed up a 97 yard pick six).

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                                            • #25
                                              The difference was that is what he thought was the best chance to keep his job (we played KC close!) same as every other decision he made this year. It's all he cared about.

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