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  • Dems voting rights bill -- good or bad, let's discuss

    According to 538, these are the items likely to be in the bill. Let's discuss what's good or bad about these:
    • Prohibit states from requiring an excuse to vote absentee.
    • Require states to mail absentee-ballot applications to all voters.
    • Require states to allow voters to apply for an absentee ballot online.
    • Prohibit states from requiring absentee ballots to be notarized or have witness signatures.
    • Count all absentee ballots postmarked by Election Day and received within 10 days.
    • Require states to offer 15 consecutive days of early voting.
    • Require “to the greatest extent practicable” that polling places to keep waits under 30 minutes.
    • Require states that mandate voter IDs to also accept sworn statements signed by the voter.
    • Require states to allow people to register to vote on Election Day.
    • Require states to allow people to register to vote online.
    • Require states to offer automatic voter registration at the department of motor vehicles and other government agencies.
    • Tightly restrict states’ ability to purge voters from the rolls.
    • Make Election Day a national holiday.
    • Make it illegal to intentionally deceive voters or mislead them into not voting.
    • Restore the right to vote to people who have been convicted of a felony but are no longer in prison (including those on parole and probation).
    • Implement public funding for congressional campaigns by matching every dollar a candidate raises from small donors with $6 from the government.
    • Require “dark money” groups to disclose their donors.
    • Create disclosure requirements for political ads on Facebook and Twitter.
    • Provide funding for states to upgrade their election infrastructure.
    • Establish federal standards for election equipment.
    • Require the use of paper ballots.
    • Establish specific redistricting criteria for fair maps and require nonpartisan redistricting commissions in every state.
    • Count prisoners at their last address, instead of where they’re incarcerated, for redistricting.
    • Require presidential candidates to release their tax returns.
    • Bar members of Congress from sitting on corporate boards.
    • Bar members of Congress from using public money to settle sexual harassment or discrimination lawsuits.
    • Establish a code of ethics for Supreme Court justices.
    • Shrink the Federal Election Commission from six members to five in order to avoid tie votes.
    List via FiveThirtyEight.com

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tned View Post
    According to 538, these are the items likely to be in the bill. Let's discuss what's good or bad about these:
    • Prohibit states from requiring an excuse to vote absentee.
    • Require states to mail absentee-ballot applications to all voters.
    • Require states to allow voters to apply for an absentee ballot online.
    • Prohibit states from requiring absentee ballots to be notarized or have witness signatures.
    • Count all absentee ballots postmarked by Election Day and received within 10 days.
    • Require states to offer 15 consecutive days of early voting.
    • Require “to the greatest extent practicable” that polling places to keep waits under 30 minutes.
    • Require states that mandate voter IDs to also accept sworn statements signed by the voter.
    • Require states to allow people to register to vote on Election Day.
    • Require states to allow people to register to vote online.
    • Require states to offer automatic voter registration at the department of motor vehicles and other government agencies.
    • Tightly restrict states’ ability to purge voters from the rolls.
    • Make Election Day a national holiday.
    • Make it illegal to intentionally deceive voters or mislead them into not voting.
    • Restore the right to vote to people who have been convicted of a felony but are no longer in prison (including those on parole and probation).
    • Implement public funding for congressional campaigns by matching every dollar a candidate raises from small donors with $6 from the government.
    • Require “dark money” groups to disclose their donors.
    • Create disclosure requirements for political ads on Facebook and Twitter.
    • Provide funding for states to upgrade their election infrastructure.
    • Establish federal standards for election equipment.
    • Require the use of paper ballots.
    • Establish specific redistricting criteria for fair maps and require nonpartisan redistricting commissions in every state.
    • Count prisoners at their last address, instead of where they’re incarcerated, for redistricting.
    • Require presidential candidates to release their tax returns.
    • Bar members of Congress from sitting on corporate boards.
    • Bar members of Congress from using public money to settle sexual harassment or discrimination lawsuits.
    • Establish a code of ethics for Supreme Court justices.
    • Shrink the Federal Election Commission from six members to five in order to avoid tie votes.
    List via FiveThirtyEight.com
    Make Monday and Tuesday National Holidays, and let people vote on Sat- Tues.... that would be enough for me. If you want a mail ballot, that's fine have a process for that. Our goal shoul dbe maximum engagement, whether that is D or R.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by B-Large View Post

      Make Monday and Tuesday National Holidays, and let people vote on Sat- Tues.... that would be enough for me. If you want a mail ballot, that's fine have a process for that. Our goal shoul dbe maximum engagement, whether that is D or R.
      That seems reasonable, and go back to absentee ballots being for real reasons (military, etc.).

      I agree, full engagement is ideal, but if it means going door to door (or bed to bed in nursing homes) and coaching people how to fill out the ballot, they probably shouldn't be voting in the first place.

      At the same time, it's inexcusable to have polling stations with hour plus waits. If there are lines around the block, we need more, or bigger polling stations. I'm lucky being rural, I've never waited more than five minutes to vote (typically early voting, so maybe a bit longer on election day).

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      • #4
        The Constitution gives the state legislature the right to make election law in their states very very clearly. It is a big safeguard against a centralized authoritarian take over of the country. States are free to take up any part they like and vote on it in their own state legislatures.
        Last edited by uplink; 01-12-2022, 01:21 PM.

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        • #5
          Just haymakers to Chuck Schumer.


          its always funny when these clowns get owned by their own words.

          Cotton uses Chuck Schumers own words in his entire speech. Gtfo Chuck. Why the 180? Chuck loves the filibuster 2016-2020. Hates it now.




          so predictable.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
            Just haymakers to Chuck Schumer.


            its always funny when these clowns get owned by their own words.

            Cotton uses Chuck Schumers own words in his entire speech. Gtfo Chuck. Why the 180? Chuck loves the filibuster 2016-2020. Hates it now.




            so predictable.
            Truth, Justice and the Arkansas way.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tned View Post

              That seems reasonable, and go back to absentee ballots being for real reasons (military, etc.).

              I agree, full engagement is ideal, but if it means going door to door (or bed to bed in nursing homes) and coaching people how to fill out the ballot, they probably shouldn't be voting in the first place.

              At the same time, it's inexcusable to have polling stations with hour plus waits. If there are lines around the block, we need more, or bigger polling stations. I'm lucky being rural, I've never waited more than five minutes to vote (typically early voting, so maybe a bit longer on election day).
              there is a fine line to helping people understand the ballot, and persuading someone to vote a certain way, for sure

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                Just haymakers to Chuck Schumer.


                its always funny when these clowns get owned by their own words.

                Cotton uses Chuck Schumers own words in his entire speech. Gtfo Chuck. Why the 180? Chuck loves the filibuster 2016-2020. Hates it now.




                so predictable.
                What was said yesterday and what is said today doesn't matter, you should know that by now...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                  there is a fine line to helping people understand the ballot, and persuading someone to vote a certain way, for sure
                  It's anecdotal, but when Ohio went to same day registration/voting, maybe in '08 or '12, there were voters, many homeless, that were on camera explaining how someone "helped" them fill out the ballot and told them to vote for Obama.

                  Not using that anecdotal example of proof of wide spread wrong doing, but it definitely at least leads the skeptical to think, "if there were people on camera saying that in an Ohio park" what happens in Michigan living rooms where there is no camera and where mail in ballots are being filled out...

                  Personally, I like the idea of proving it's one vote, one citizen (ID, but making it free and easy -- when you consider other requirements for ID and such, no reason not to apply it to voting), but also insuring that people have an easy time voting. Shouldn't be long waits, lines around the block, etc. Early voting windows that are wide enough to insure everyone can get to a polling station, and have no issue with a national holiday or requirement to allow a person time off to vote, etc.

                  Insure it's secure, but don't make it overly burdensome (I think voting has always entailed some effort, and I think that's reasonable, but it should not be an undue burden that prevents well intended voters from voting).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                    What was said yesterday and what is said today doesn't matter, you should know that by now...
                    Kind of like NOT voting for a SCOTUS nominee in an election year (Biden and other Dems, and then McConnel and other Reps), and then voting for a SCOTUS nominee in an election year.

                    You can count on one hand after a bad blender accident, how many straight shooters there are in Congress.

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                    • #11
                      Democrats are full on 2 face mongos who want to destroy “and to the REPUPLIC for which it stands”…..

                      the ONLY thing that changed was someone else is President.

                      Just under five years ago more than half of the Democrats currently in the Senate signed a letter defending the 60-vote filibuster on legislation – but now many of them are leading the charge to eliminate it as soon as this weekend.



                      had trump won whats their stance on the filibuster in that reality? They’d scream and cry to keep it….along with impeachment papers for Trump because he wants to change the rules.

                      sorry liberals…GOP aren’t criminals and anti Americans like democrats. They didn’t get rid of the filibuster when democrats used it a historical amount of times between 2016-2020.



                      bottom line Democrats want to change rules…filibuster…voting…elections….allow illegals to vote…supreme court packing….to make it so they can have absolute power forever and change the entire country into socialism….





                      wait until it’s required to show proof of vaccination for in person voting….ignoring the fact the only way it’s verified is by a photo ID.
                      Last edited by The1percentKid; 01-13-2022, 12:49 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Its been a year and no one has yet to make a logical argument for why the voting laws are racist in some states. No expert on TV. No politician. No poster on a football fan site. No one.

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                        • #13
                          I always thought if I ever met God I would ask: 'what is the meaning of life?'. However now I am thinking I will ask him/her an even more perplexing unanswerable mysterious question that has evaded human understanding: 'why are the voting laws in GA, TX, and AZ racist?'

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                          • #14
                            It’s hilarious how Democrats think people are too stupid to figure out how to vote. It’s insanely EASY….

                            But they want the most ways available to fraud an election….so they want illegals to vote…they want no photo ID…..they want no in person voting….they want no proper registration….

                            all EASY ****ing things to do. It’s harder to deal with the DMV than it is to vote. And yet Democrats think it’s impossible and extremely hard to vote in this country….

                            want to eat in a restaurant…go to gym…movies….etc? Proof of ID required now with that vaccine card.


                            Just pathetic what democrats try to lie about for absolute full power..can’t get it the proper legal way so they want to change the laws…change the rules…pack the courts….bring in millions of sheep illegals for their votes…illegals who need constant dependence on Democrats….authoritarian bullshit.

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                            • #15
                              • Prohibit states from requiring an excuse to vote absentee. - up to the states
                              • Require states to mail absentee-ballot applications to all voters. - up to the states
                              • Require states to allow voters to apply for an absentee ballot online. - up to the states
                              • Prohibit states from requiring absentee ballots to be notarized or have witness signatures. up to the states
                              • Count all absentee ballots postmarked by Election Day and received within 10 days. No. By election day, you've had plenty of time
                              • Require states to offer 15 consecutive days of early voting. Yes
                              • Require “to the greatest extent practicable” that polling places to keep waits under 30 minutes. No, how would they do that?
                              • Require states that mandate voter IDs to also accept sworn statements signed by the voter. Yes, provided it is electronically stored
                              • Require states to allow people to register to vote on Election Day. No, you've had plenty of time, includes any early voting as well.
                              • Require states to allow people to register to vote online. - up to the states
                              • Require states to offer automatic voter registration at the department of motor vehicles and other government agencies. Citizen needs to decide if they want to vote, not forced on them by the state
                              • Tightly restrict states’ ability to purge voters from the rolls. - up to the states
                              • Make Election Day a national holiday. All 15 days? No, but paid time off to vote up to 3 hours.
                              • Make it illegal to intentionally deceive voters or mislead them into not voting. No, Sticky and subjective, plus up to the states
                              • Restore the right to vote to people who have been convicted of a felony but are no longer in prison (including those on parole and probation). No! You lost the right.
                              • Implement public funding for congressional campaigns by matching every dollar a candidate raises from small donors with $6 from the government. No, more tax theft
                              • Require “dark money” groups to disclose their donors. Yes
                              • Create disclosure requirements for political ads on Facebook and Twitter. - up to the states
                              • Provide funding for states to upgrade their election infrastructure. Yes
                              • Establish federal standards for election equipment. I'd need to see the requirements
                              • Require the use of paper ballots. - up to the states
                              • Establish specific redistricting criteria for fair maps and require nonpartisan redistricting commissions in every state. - up to the states
                              • Count prisoners at their last address, instead of where they’re incarcerated, for redistricting. No
                              • Require presidential candidates to release their tax returns. No and unconstitutional
                              • Bar members of Congress from sitting on corporate boards. No and unconstitutional
                              • Bar members of Congress from using public money to settle sexual harassment or discrimination lawsuits. Yes get insurance if this is something you'll think you need.
                              • Establish a code of ethics for Supreme Court justices. No, the judicial branch already has a CoE
                              • Shrink the Federal Election Commission from six members to five in order to avoid tie votes. No, a tie is an outcome.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                                It’s hilarious how Democrats think people are too stupid to figure out how to vote. It’s insanely EASY….

                                But they want the most ways available to fraud an election….so they want illegals to vote…they want no photo ID…..they want no in person voting….they want no proper registration….

                                all EASY ****ing things to do. It’s harder to deal with the DMV than it is to vote. And yet Democrats think it’s impossible and extremely hard to vote in this country….

                                want to eat in a restaurant…go to gym…movies….etc? Proof of ID required now with that vaccine card.


                                Just pathetic what democrats try to lie about for absolute full power..can’t get it the proper legal way so they want to change the laws…change the rules…pack the courts….bring in millions of sheep illegals for their votes…illegals who need constant dependence on Democrats….authoritarian bullshit.
                                No doubt...card carrying Democrats are trash people.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Garcia Bronco View Post

                                  No doubt...card carrying Democrats are trash people.
                                  They are the scum of the earth and they must be purged

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                                  • #18
                                    Painting with a pretty broad and harsh brush here...

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                                    • #19
                                      I don’t have the right to vote thanks to nazi republicans

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                                      • #20
                                        What? But Biden said you were worse than Bull Connor if you don't vote for his trash bill.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by uplink View Post
                                          1) The Constitution gives the state legislatures the right to make election law in their states very very clearly.
                                          2) It is a big safeguard against a centralized authoritarian take over of the country.

                                          1) .Excellent, that is correct, very good!
                                          2). But it wasn't much of a "safeguard" when Antonin Scalia and his boys ripped Florida's
                                          . . . election away from them and named Bush the winner in December 2000.

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                                          • #22
                                            It's funny how you guys are SO SURE the Democrats are trash people!

                                            While at the same time you're all so naive you believe Biden stole the election from Trump .....


                                            . . . . . . .

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post
                                              It's funny how you guys are SO SURE the Democrats are trash people!

                                              While at the same time you're all so naive you believe Biden stole the election from Trump .....


                                              . . . . . . .
                                              Pot, meet kettle...

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by Tned View Post
                                                Pot, meet kettle...

                                                I assure you, I do NOT think Biden stole the election from Trump!

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post


                                                  I assure you, I do NOT think Biden stole the election from Trump!
                                                  Yet you do think Bush/Scalia stole the election from Gore?

                                                  Also, I'm sure you didn't buy into the joke Trump/Russia propaganda either.

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