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  • #26
    Originally posted by cousinal11 View Post
    While I agree Cousins isn't the answer, he is a much better Quarterback than Bridgewater.
    this isn't the compliment you think it is.

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    • #27
      I think compensation factors in. What would Cousins take for a contract? What does Minnesota want in return. I believe Goff’s $ factored into draft choice compensation. If we take on the $ the draft choice should go down.

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      • #28
        Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

        I here a lot of too expensive, can’t happen, don’t like him, etc.

        What I’m not seeing from people is proposed alternatives. If you don’t like something, what’s your solution?

        OC coach candidates will be asked to answer this question. I’ll bet Paton won’t let them off with the ‘Fangio’ answer of just give me a superstar QB.
        That's because there aren't any good alternatives. I don't think it's a stretch to say we're in a really bad spot. I'd much rather roll the dice with Lock, ride or die, and then look at the draft next year. Maybe move up for a Pickett this year, but I'm not sold he's the answer either.

        because there is no "answer." Just a buttload of questions.

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        • #29
          Originally posted by TEKO View Post

          That's because there aren't any good alternatives. I don't think it's a stretch to say we're in a really bad spot. I'd much rather roll the dice with Lock, ride or die, and then look at the draft next year. Maybe move up for a Pickett this year, but I'm not sold he's the answer either.

          because there is no "answer." Just a buttload of questions.
          I think what you have here is good. Lock is a QB that can start, has shown improvement and can start. A good coach should help out tremendously!

          And, we own the #9 pick with lots of draft capital. Developing our own QB is a great idea.

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          • #30
            Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

            I think what you have here is good. Lock is a QB that can start, has shown improvement and can start. A good coach should help out tremendously!

            And, we own the #9 pick with lots of draft capital. Developing our own QB is a great idea.
            Irrespective of what we all "want" to happen, I think this is what's most likely to actually happen. Lock is the starter in '22. We may or may not move up to get Pickett (I sorta lean towards not, but will probably draft a QB somewhere in the draft), but I think Lock is our starter. Get an offense that plays to his strengths (I do think he'd do well in a Shanahan-style system where he can get out of the pocket and throw on the move), build the o-line through the draft, and see if the kid can actually hack it. We've probably seen enough, but maybe he'll surprise us.

            At least then we know what we've got.

            Rodgers or Wilson aren't coming here. They were never coming here. Time to move on from that particular fantasy IMO.

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            • #31
              Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
              Lots of people saying he’s the garbage and the same as Teddy/Lock? Lmao.

              what if Denver’s QB put up 33 TDs 7 ints. Over 4K. This year. Playoffs then? Yep.

              Teddy and Lock couldn’t sniff 30 TDs. Cousins isn’t the greatest out there or even top tier but he’s far better than anything Denver’s had since 2014 Manning. Some weird hate for Cousins on this board for a long time. Same people who say broncos roster is full of talent rip cousins who’s been on a team with trash and bad coaching. It’s why they fired their GM and HC. Bad drafts bad FA….


              id take 33 TDs 7 ints in a heartbeat. That’s multiple more wins this year, considering how many were lost by single score. The “tough losses” here are blamed on Fangio just as much as QB, but Zimmer gets a pass? That dude trash.



              this fanbase needs a wake up call. Rodgers and Wilson isn’t happening. Neither is Watson. 9th pick is too late for a rookie QB since several teams taking one before them in a weak draft. The FA this year is horrible. Teddy is ranked the best FA QB. Paton has to hit the Cousins/Ryan/Jimmy shelf or it’s Teddy and Lock in 2022.
              Putting this into perspective, 33 TDs is 13 more than our QBs threw, that’s 91 points or 5.3 additional points per game. If 5 points were added to each game, the Broncos win 4 more games and tie the Chiefs for the best record in the division.

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              • #32
                Originally posted by Tangerine View Post

                Putting this into perspective, 33 TDs is 13 more than our QBs threw, that’s 91 points or 5.3 additional points per game. If 5 points were added to each game, the Broncos win 4 more games and tie the Chiefs for the best record in the division.
                No doubt the Browns game…one of the Raiders games. Thats a huge impact on multiple games.

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                • #33
                  Hard no - we’ll be hard pressed to find 10 wins on our division and can’t afford a QB who could potentially miss a game over Covid. Availability is too important to accommodate these anti-vac tools.

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                  • #34
                    Originally posted by Samiwindr View Post
                    Hard no - we’ll be hard pressed to find 10 wins on our division and can’t afford a QB who could potentially miss a game over Covid. Availability is too important to accommodate these anti-vac tools.
                    It's pretty funny you think vaccine status is going to amount to anything next season. It's essentially useless against the new variant. Wasn't much better on Delta.

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                    • #35
                      Originally posted by Samiwindr View Post
                      Hard no - we’ll be hard pressed to find 10 wins on our division and can’t afford a QB who could potentially miss a game over Covid. Availability is too important to accommodate these anti-vac tools.
                      So Rogers is a no for you?

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                      • #36
                        Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                        It's pretty funny you think vaccine status is going to amount to anything next season. It's essentially useless against the new variant. Wasn't much better on Delta.
                        Its not about catching it. Its about how long you have to stay on Reserve list.

                        Currently and can change at any time. Vaccinated players can test positive and play that week. Unvac players that test positive have to wait 10 days.

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                        • #37
                          We are in AFC WEST... Cousins type of QB won't work here.. he is unable to defeat Rodgers.

                          Here, we are having 3 QB's .. BIG NO.. Draft a QB , Develop him or get Rodgers or Wilson.

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                          • #38
                            Originally posted by ceh View Post

                            Its not about catching it. Its about how long you have to stay on Reserve list.

                            Currently and can change at any time. Vaccinated players can test positive and play that week. Unvac players that test positive have to wait 10 days.
                            Which is all absolutely ridiculous and once the Big O has swept the country and shown how ridiculous it is, I can't imagine the major sports grasping this straw for another year.

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                            • #39
                              Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                              Lots of people saying he’s the garbage and the same as Teddy/Lock? Lmao.

                              what if Denver’s QB put up 33 TDs 7 ints. Over 4K. This year. Playoffs then? Yep.

                              Teddy and Lock couldn’t sniff 30 TDs. Cousins isn’t the greatest out there or even top tier but he’s far better than anything Denver’s had since 2014 Manning. Some weird hate for Cousins on this board for a long time. Same people who say broncos roster is full of talent rip cousins who’s been on a team with trash and bad coaching. It’s why they fired their GM and HC. Bad drafts bad FA….


                              id take 33 TDs 7 ints in a heartbeat. That’s multiple more wins this year, considering how many were lost by single score. The “tough losses” here are blamed on Fangio just as much as QB, but Zimmer gets a pass? That dude trash.



                              this fanbase needs a wake up call. Rodgers and Wilson isn’t happening. Neither is Watson. 9th pick is too late for a rookie QB since several teams taking one before them in a weak draft. The FA this year is horrible. Teddy is ranked the best FA QB. Paton has to hit the Cousins/Ryan/Jimmy shelf or it’s Teddy and Lock in 2022.
                              God that's bleak. I am going to hold on the the Rogers dream for a little longer just to get me out of the winter. Maybe in the spring I can face up to a Cousins lead Bronco team.

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                              • #40
                                Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                                It's pretty funny you think vaccine status is going to amount to anything next season. It's essentially useless against the new variant. Wasn't much better on Delta.
                                You're absolutely right - it should be endemic by the time next season rolls around - should have put more thought into my post before firing it out. That said, I'd still be a hard no for the fact that he could have cost his team a playoff spot this year. There is no I in team. And yes, I feel the same way about Rodgers.

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                                • #41
                                  Originally posted by go_broncos View Post
                                  We are in AFC WEST... Cousins type of QB won't work here.. he is unable to defeat Rodgers.

                                  Here, we are having 3 QB's .. BIG NO.. Draft a QB , Develop him or get Rodgers or Wilson.
                                  You know Patton is going to go hard for both of them. There is a reason we are interviewing GB's offensive coordinator for our HC position. The chance of landing either is pretty small though. You better get a plan B ready.

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                                  • #42
                                    Originally posted by Drunk Monkey View Post

                                    You know Patton is going to go hard for both of them. There is a reason we are interviewing GB's offensive coordinator for our HC position. The chance of landing either is pretty small though. You better get a plan B ready.
                                    I agree... Will not trust Rodgers..each day he keeps changing.

                                    Hopefully, we can atleast get Wilson. Wilson with our offensive weapons will be deadly.

                                    If both are not available, try to get the QB in first round.

                                    if you couldn't get the QB you like, then get Cousins or Garoppolo. Price will be huge(might have to surrender 1st round or multiple picks). with this option, you are pretty much out of playoffs(unless some lucky bounces)

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                                    • #43
                                      It is going to be funny if the 49ers win the super bowl with Garopolo after spending 3 1sts for Trey Lance .
                                      Just who do they keep.....? Do you trade away a super bowl winner QB? You can't keep them both for another year?
                                      And do you get 3 1sts back for Lance without him showing much of anything...I think not.. unless it is THIS year with a poor QB group in the draft.
                                      If 49ers win it all, Lance may be the traded player.

                                      As far as Rodgers goes.....He has to win or at least get to the super bowl this year...put up or shut up time. Home field advantage, and if he doesn't get
                                      there this year, then what? He isn't getting younger and the super bowl is the goal. His contract gets huge next year. Maybe GB will trade him if he loses,
                                      but if he wins it, he isn't going anywhere soon. And if he doesn't his value goes down, and he still has the ability to say no to any trade.

                                      Wilson isn't moving anywhere yet. I think he stays in Seattle. Watson in Houston stays there for now. He needs to get back in football .

                                      Cousins might make the Broncos a better team, but he likely isn't a guy that can go all the way. I don't think any of the college QBs this year are worth trading UP for.

                                      Likely Lock stays for the next year unless something odd happens. Placeholder for 23.

                                      As far as coaches....I don't think any defensive minded coach is going to be one that will help the team get better on O.. We need an offensive coach that can develope whoever the QB is we end up with. Broncos are starting a real rebuild.

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                                      • #44
                                        Originally posted by Samiwindr View Post

                                        You're absolutely right - it should be endemic by the time next season rolls around - should have put more thought into my post before firing it out. That said, I'd still be a hard no for the fact that he could have cost his team a playoff spot this year. There is no I in team. And yes, I feel the same way about Rodgers.
                                        Yeah, I have zero interest. Rodgers, you'd be crazy not to leap at the chance, even if he's getting massaged by all of Deshaun's unvaccinated 'therapists' all at once.

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                                        • #45
                                          Originally posted by Scottxray View Post

                                          As far as coaches....I don't think any defensive minded coach is going to be one that will help the team get better on O.. We need an offensive coach that can develope whoever the QB is we end up with. Broncos are starting a real rebuild.
                                          Agree... That's the reason we should not go after Quinn.

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                                          • #46
                                            Originally posted by Scottxray View Post
                                            It is going to be funny if the 49ers win the super bowl with Garopolo after spending 3 1sts for Trey Lance .
                                            Just who do they keep.....? Do you trade away a super bowl winner QB? You can't keep them both for another year?
                                            And do you get 3 1sts back for Lance without him showing much of anything...I think not.. unless it is THIS year with a poor QB group in the draft.
                                            If 49ers win it all, Lance may be the traded player.

                                            As far as Rodgers goes.....He has to win or at least get to the super bowl this year...put up or shut up time. Home field advantage, and if he doesn't get
                                            there this year, then what? He isn't getting younger and the super bowl is the goal. His contract gets huge next year. Maybe GB will trade him if he loses,
                                            but if he wins it, he isn't going anywhere soon. And if he doesn't his value goes down, and he still has the ability to say no to any trade.

                                            Wilson isn't moving anywhere yet. I think he stays in Seattle. Watson in Houston stays there for now. He needs to get back in football .

                                            Cousins might make the Broncos a better team, but he likely isn't a guy that can go all the way. I don't think any of the college QBs this year are worth trading UP for.

                                            Likely Lock stays for the next year unless something odd happens. Placeholder for 23.

                                            As far as coaches....I don't think any defensive minded coach is going to be one that will help the team get better on O.. We need an offensive coach that can develope whoever the QB is we end up with. Broncos are starting a real rebuild.
                                            Nice post. I’d love to see Shanny win the SB. Doubtful. We will see who Paton hires as HC. May give insight as to whether or not he’s all in on Rogers. Hackett could be great even without Rogers.

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                                            • #47
                                              Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                                              Yeah, I have zero interest. Rodgers, you'd be crazy not to leap at the chance, even if he's getting massaged by all of Deshaun's unvaccinated 'therapists' all at once.
                                              Rodgers is a 3-4 year rental ala Peyton. We'd probably get another Lombardi out of it, but we'll be right back in QB hell again. I'd rather have another great draft this year and save up more draft capital for a blockbuster move up next year than spend 3 first rounders on Rodgers.

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                                              • #48
                                                Originally posted by go_broncos View Post

                                                Agree... That's the reason we should not go after Quinn.
                                                Also what concerns me w Quinn. Let’s look at history. Quinn gets Shanny. They go to SB. Perfect scenario, except they lose. Next season Broncos (Ellis) pass on Shanny Jr and now he’s been to a SB on his own. Quinn was fired w Sarkisian

                                                Andy Reid, McVay, LaFleur, Taylor etc have offense covered and replace DC. BTW, we had LaFkeur and Taylor in for HC/OC type interviews I believe and didn’t have the chestnuts to go w younger offensive mind. We blew it. Do t want to do that again.

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                                                • #49
                                                  It will be dependent on the HC/OC they bring in. If they bring in someone from the McVay/Shanahan trees then it make sense to think about Cousins or Jimmy G

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                                                  • #50
                                                    Originally posted by Samiwindr View Post

                                                    Rodgers is a 3-4 year rental ala Peyton. We'd probably get another Lombardi out of it, but we'll be right back in QB hell again. I'd rather have another great draft this year and save up more draft capital for a blockbuster move up next year than spend 3 first rounders on Rodgers.
                                                    Taking shots at prospects is far from a removal from QB Hell. I'll take the 3-4 year reprieve before we get back to the lava rivers and pitchforks again.

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