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  • Without a good QB.. there is no point in playing

    Dumb coach Fangio also agreed..

    Wake up Paton..don't act like a fool. you are paid millions.


  • #2
    its a bigger decision than the next dipshit coach they hire.

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    • #3
      It doesn't matter if you hire Lombardi.. can't win without a good QB

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      • #4
        Originally posted by go_broncos View Post
        It doesn't matter if you hire Lombardi.. can't win without a good QB
        Qb is the issue.

        However, Vic Fangio was woefully inept on the Offensive Side of the ball. Inept as an on field coach, clock manager, completely tone def and delusional. Terrible at team adjustments week in week out and after halves.

        He left games on the field this year, several actually...

        He had to go....

        Sorry you don't understand what you watch on Sundays....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wolf754life View Post

          Qb is the issue.

          However, Vic Fangio was woefully inept on the Offensive Side of the ball. Inept as an on field coach, clock manager, completely tone def and delusional. Terrible at team adjustments week in week out and after halves.

          He left games on the field this year, several actually...

          He had to go....

          Sorry you don't understand what you watch on Sundays....
          He has to go.. but for me, the priority is to get the QB right(compared to coaches)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by go_broncos View Post

            He has to go.. but for me, the priority is to get the QB right(compared to coaches)
            sure, it is the priority...

            But Even with a little acumen this year with Teddy the Bedwetter or trying to Develop Lock, this team wins two or 3 more games and gets in the playoffs, bad qb an all.

            Pitt, Baltimore, Cleveland, Raiders twice, Philly...

            Win some of those close games and he is probably still here.

            DEATH BY INCHES...........

            DEATH BY FANGIO...........

            DURRRRRRRRRRRRR

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            • #7
              So there’s no point in playing
              theres no point in watching
              there’s no point in being a fan
              there’s no point in starting these stupid ass threads

              I can name multiple examples of teams either going to or winning a super bowl with average qb play

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              • #8
                Vic was the scapegoat. It's been the problem of this organization since sb50. Fire the coach if the team is making lots of mistakes they shouldn't be. Or they are undisciplined.

                Don't fire him because our record sucks and he's forced to play a qb with the yips. We need the coach and team to go through highs and lows together. Build a bond. Can't do that when we're on the carousel.

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                • #9
                  The lack of a QB exposed Vic’s flaws, he probably could’ve survived if they had even a mediocre QB. But, his issues would’ve popped up at the worst times, just like John Fox.

                  It was well past time to move on, he was never a good fit. Though, it’s not going to matter who they hire if they don’t get him a real QB, that’s a fact nearly all of us finally agree on.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OmegaBronco View Post
                    Vic was the scapegoat. It's been the problem of this organization since sb50. Fire the coach if the team is making lots of mistakes they shouldn't be. Or they are undisciplined.

                    Don't fire him because our record sucks and he's forced to play a qb with the yips. We need the coach and team to go through highs and lows together. Build a bond. Can't do that when we're on the carousel.

                    i agree. the players were not clutch this year. look at Sunday. two easy INTs which i believe were two scoring drives that could have been thwarted

                    is that coaching or players failing to make plays?

                    Missed blocking assignments may have been on a subs playing

                    what fangio could have done better is be prepared on down one or two to know if you want to go for it on fourth down.

                    i think Paton will be patient with his new coach . depends what kind of owner we get. elways was always a Joe flacco away and never wanted to rebuild


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                    • #11
                      There are recent examples of teams reaching and even winning the Superbowl with Mediocre QB play. But you simply have no room for error with this strategy. Everyone else, from the running game, to the coaching staff to the front seven and secondary have to be operating at an incredibly high level. One mistake from any of them can put a game out of reach. Having an Aaron Rodgers, or Tom Brady type under center gives you so much more room for error. It allows the rest of the team to play more relaxed as they know they don't have to carry the entire weight on their shoulders. Hell, I would argue that our defense is better than Green Bay's defense. But as they are often playing with a two possession lead it allows them to be much more aggressive in their play-calling. We haven't truly had that in Denver since the first half of the 2014 season.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by v2micca View Post
                        There are recent examples of teams reaching and even winning the Superbowl with Mediocre QB play. But you simply have no room for error with this strategy. Everyone else, from the running game, to the coaching staff to the front seven and secondary have to be operating at an incredibly high level. One mistake from any of them can put a game out of reach. Having an Aaron Rodgers, or Tom Brady type under center gives you so much more room for error. It allows the rest of the team to play more relaxed as they know they don't have to carry the entire weight on their shoulders. Hell, I would argue that our defense is better than Green Bay's defense. But as they are often playing with a two possession lead it allows them to be much more aggressive in their play-calling. We haven't truly had that in Denver since the first half of the 2014 season.
                        Yep. Our defense looked great so long as we didn't have the lead.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OmegaBronco View Post

                          Yep. Our defense looked great so long as we didn't have the lead.
                          I do believe Denver was 6-1 with the lead at halftime. The 2nd Raider game was the only loss.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ceh View Post

                            I do believe Denver was 6-1 with the lead at halftime. The 2nd Raider game was the only loss.

                            It seemed to me, with the game on the line, with the chance to prove we belong,.. the D just didn't seem elite or very good frankly.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by OmegaBronco View Post

                              It seemed to me, with the game on the line, with the chance to prove we belong,.. the D just didn't seem elite or very good frankly.
                              Like I said before, players were not clutch for sure. I do think the Defense was playoff quality at full strength but offense far from playoff level.

                              Jeudy had no TDs this year. Nada and you cant tell me he was not open.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Agent Zero View Post
                                I can name multiple examples of teams either going to or winning a super bowl with average qb play
                                The smart money in Vegas says it will be Rogers and Mahomes or Brady and Mahones in the SB …… just your average OB’s right?

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                                • #17
                                  QB makes everyone better. I follow many sports.. never seen a sport where it's dependent on one single player(ie., QB).

                                  Once we have a QB..then you worry about the rest(coaching, defense etc.).

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Agent Zero View Post

                                    I can name multiple examples of teams either going to or winning a super bowl with average qb play
                                    but what is the ratio of average QB to elite QBs in Champ and Super Bowl games? This was Elway's thought process post 2015 and look what state we are in 6 years later.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Moneyball View Post

                                      The smart money in Vegas says it will be Rogers and Mahomes or Brady and Mahones in the SB …… just your average OB’s right?

                                      Elite QBs guarantee nothing. But they do significantly put the odds in your favor.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by v2micca View Post


                                        Elite QBs guarantee nothing. But they do significantly put the odds in your favor.
                                        Yes our odds of being in a future SB with Lock at QB are a little on the slim side.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by ceh View Post

                                          Like I said before, players were not clutch for sure. I do think the Defense was playoff quality at full strength but offense far from playoff level.

                                          Jeudy had no TDs this year. Nada and you cant tell me he was not open.
                                          Wow, Jeudy not having a TD is beyond disturbing.

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                                          • #22
                                            Originally posted by ceh View Post

                                            but what is the ratio of average QB to elite QBs in Champ and Super Bowl games? This was Elway's thought process post 2015 and look what state we are in 6 years later.
                                            this is all from top of my head running on very little sleep

                                            Well the AFC had Brady every year for a very long time along along side an old broken Manning. Then you had Flacco. Was he elite? And Big Ben who is pro bowl caliber. Then there was the Trent dilfer and rich Gannon days.

                                            NFC
                                            Teams with Kap, Russ, Goroppolo, Goff, Foles, Rodgers, Eli, Warner, brad Johnson, Delhomme, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Matt Ryan, Rex grossman all either made or won the super bowl.

                                            I’d argue a lot of those QBs especially from NFC are ass

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by Moneyball View Post

                                              The smart money in Vegas says it will be Rogers and Mahomes or Brady and Mahones in the SB …… just your average OB’s right?
                                              I don’t care what vegas says. And im from vegas. A team with sorry ass Ryan Tannehill has the #1 seed.
                                              OP said there’s no point in playing unless you have a pro bowl QB (moronic statement)

                                              Tell that to the teams who won it all without one. And that includes our broncos

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by go_broncos View Post
                                                QB makes everyone better. I follow many sports.. never seen a sport where it's dependent on one single player(ie., QB).

                                                Once we have a QB..then you worry about the rest(coaching, defense etc.).
                                                Cricket is not a sport

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by Agent Zero View Post

                                                  Cricket is not a sport
                                                  MLB, NHL, NBA doesn't rely on one position. Cricket is the 2nd watched sport in the world.

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