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**ceh** · 12-31-2021, 01:45 PM

Josh vs Pat is the reason why NE’s path worked and Denver’s did not.both relativity the same type of team. NE plus 7 in turnovers Den plus 3

sad Vic cant see the issue

who was Jones throwing to?

**Shellback88** · 12-31-2021, 02:42 PM

Fangio just plays 4 corners football. If you don’t defend the run and play a shell you will keep scores down. Big deal.

**Vera Hara** · 12-31-2021, 03:09 PM

#1 Scoring Defense given the injuries and issues stopping the run [and without a consistent pass rush] is pretty much a gridiron miracle. Even more impressive considering how doo doo the offense is at scoring and sustaining meaningful drives. The secondary has done a really good job this season. It's still not good enough to keep Vic and Co. around.

**qbronco** · 12-31-2021, 03:24 PM

Any semblance of an offense and this season might have been a lot different. Crap quarterbacks and poor play calling killed any chance of this year’s team making the playoffs. Defense was suspect in a few games, too. I would not mind seeing what a new group of coaches could do, especially after addressing the quarterback situation. It’s time for Paton to earn his paycheck.

**SGB** · 12-31-2021, 06:01 PM

I've been impressed with what the young guys on defense gave done. That being said, many times stats are deceiving. When Broncos offense isn't doing anything, the other team jumps to a lead, and Denver plays bend don't break defense, the other team is content to just play conservative and play the field position game because they aren't afraid of check down Teddy.

Also, they have had a very favorable schedule with fans against some of the worst teams and offenses in the nfl. They have played 5 teams with a worse offense than they have scoring wise...

**SGB** · 12-31-2021, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by qbronco View Post

Any semblance of an offense and this season might have been a lot different. Crap quarterbacks and poor play calling killed any chance of this year’s team making the playoffs. Defense was suspect in a few games, too. I would not mind seeing what a new group of coaches could do, especially after addressing the quarterback situation. It’s time for Paton to earn his paycheck.

Defense wasn't very good the first 5-6 hashes of the season. Certainly not as good as it should have been.

**L.A. BRONCOS FAN** · 01-01-2022, 03:18 AM

Now if we just had an offense that didn't totally blow goats...

**Shellback88** · 01-01-2022, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by Requiem View Post

#1 Scoring Defense given the injuries and issues stopping the run [and without a consistent pass rush] is pretty much a gridiron miracle. Even more impressive considering how doo doo the offense is at scoring and sustaining meaningful drives. The secondary has done a really good job this season. It's still not good enough to keep Vic and Co. around.

Almost sounds like you are sting Vic should be retained….‘impressive coaching’

We are talking about the Broncos, right?

**Old Coyote** · 01-01-2022, 07:03 AM

Other teams are content to run out the clock and beat us 10-15. Because our offense is a broken scheme that was never good before it broke. And our D bends over all the way to the RedZone. So yeah they don't score much on us. Only enough to beat us almost every damn time.

Did you see Sutton lined up as an in-line TE with a 3 point stance while Saubert and Albert O we're standing available on the sidelines? That's because Fangio hand picked Shurmer and keeps both him and MacMahon on as coordinators. So that's on Fangio too. Just like the losses to teams that we should have beaten.

Fangio and his chicken shit for stats and losses D can kick rocks along with Shurmer's stupid face right on out the door. Old Idiot is a worse HC than Radio. Remember he isn't our DC, if he was then he would deserve praise. Fangio sucks as a HC though and is responsible for Shurmer and Teddy and all the losses.

**Vera Hara** · 01-01-2022, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

Almost sounds like you are sting Vic should be retained….‘impressive coaching’

We are talking about the Broncos, right?

"It's still not good enough to keep Vic and Co. around." — That means he shouldn't be retained.

**Shellback88** · 01-01-2022, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Requiem View Post

"It's still not good enough to keep Vic and Co. around." — That means he shouldn't be retained.

Riding that fence has to hurt, Ouch!

**Vera Hara** · 01-01-2022, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

Riding that fence has to hurt, Ouch!

I'm not riding the fence. The Broncos need a new coaching staff. Denver is on their way to another losing season. Time for a change.

**The1percentKid** · 01-01-2022, 01:17 PM

This one’s easy.

opponents know they only need 17 points to beat Denver….opponents love how denver eats up clock on failed 20 play drives.

since when does the broncos fanbase celebrate mediocrity? Nothing about this season is a success. Not one aspect. Every team has injuries. Every team has covid. The good teams win the bad teams have losing seasons.

**BroncoBuff** · 01-01-2022, 04:57 PM

I've kind of halfway tried to follow along with this Req-vs.-Shelly quarrel, but I don't think I understand it ... 🙄 😷

**Old Coyote** · 01-01-2022, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post

I've kind of halfway tried to follow along with this Req-vs.-Shelly quarrel, but I don't think I understand it ... 🙄 😷

Was Req arguing though?

Seems more like Req just being Req and talking about the color blue instead of the sky. And Shell arguing that that's not the picture or veiwpoint she's seeing with someone that likes to rain man out on details to the point that they end up in arguments where no one is really wrong but no one is really right either. One is like "the sky is that way because..." The other one is like "No that's the color blue you are pointing at."

in the end, the Broncos sky is falling and Blues is the music broncos fans need.

**Broncos_Avs_4L** · 01-01-2022, 10:28 PM

Are we just going to forget this same defensive scheme had Von Miller manned up one on one with Chase Claypool?!

**Broncos_Avs_4L** · 01-01-2022, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

This one’s easy.

opponents know they only need 17 points to beat Denver….opponents love how denver eats up clock on failed 20 play drives.

since when does the broncos fanbase celebrate mediocrity? Nothing about this season is a success. Not one aspect. Every team has injuries. Every team has covid. The good teams win the bad teams have losing seasons.

Anyone finding themselves defending any of these coaches needs a gut punch. They need to fired ASAP!

**BroncoBuff** · 01-01-2022, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post

Was Req arguing though?

Seems more like Req just being Req and talking about the color blue instead of the sky.

That might be the problem ... Req's not actually arguing.

First I thought he was defending Vic ... and I got angry.

Then I thought Shell was trying to paint Req into a pro-Vic corner.

Then I lost interest.

The next thread title that will matter to me is:
.

Vic Fangio and Pat Shurmur fired!
Munchak, Kuper, Shula, Donatell, Kollar, others
told they'll remain unless new HC objects

A h h h h . . . . . .

**oubronco** · 01-02-2022, 10:26 AM

Defense can’t stop a fat man from rolling uphill when they absolutely need to

**ceh** · 01-02-2022, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

This one’s easy.

opponents know they only need 17 points to beat Denver….opponents love how denver eats up clock on failed 20 play drives.
.

so did Cincy , KC , LAC , Dallas , LV all say let’s curtail our offense maybe try to score 1 TD and call it good?

that’s some high powers offenses

**Broncos_Avs_4L** · 01-02-2022, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by ceh View Post

so did Cincy , KC , LAC , Dallas , LV all say let’s curtail our offense maybe try to score 1 TD and call it good?

that’s some high powers offenses

We lost to the Raiders twice. They had interm head coach both games. Embarrassing!

**The1percentKid** · 01-02-2022, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by ceh View Post

so did Cincy , KC , LAC , Dallas , LV all say let’s curtail our offense maybe try to score 1 TD and call it good?

that’s some high powers offenses

it was a half joke.

But some of those High powered offenses who went passive and clock watched. Especially LV. Chargers and Dallas didn’t for obvious reasons, they were stopped.

The statement : teams only need 17 points to beat Denver applies to many many games. it’s not false.

People want to give Fangio a pass cause decent defense…..yet HEs the biggest reason Offense/STs suck cause he continues to ignore the 2 biggest problems there. No Shurmur and maybe this team has a different record. With Shurmur they 100% own this record. And that’s Fangios fault. Fangio is NOT an HC. He’s a DC pretending to be HC. It’s why so many basic HC errors happen every game 3 years into it. It’s also why no other team would hire Fangio to HC in decades.

**Shellback88** · 01-02-2022, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post

That might be the problem ... Req's not actually arguing.

First I thought he was defending Vic ... and I got angry.

Then I thought Shell was trying to paint Req into a pro-Vic corner.

Then I lost interest.

The next thread title that will matter to me is:
.

Vic Fangio and Pat Shurmur fired!
Munchak, Kuper, Shula, Donatell, Kollar, others
told they'll remain unless new HC objects

A h h h h . . . . . .

Now you get it. Req is defending Vic, but when called out on that he will also say he needs to be fired. That’s why I said, sitting on the fence must hurt.

**Shellback88** · 01-02-2022, 06:31 PM

Fire Vic. Now…

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