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    THE WAY WE WERE? Our Elite status in jeopardy



    THE MOST AMAZING ASPECT of the Denver Broncos rise to the level of 'ELITE NFL FRANCHISE,'
    was where we had come from. The Broncos ten years in the AFL gave new meanings to the word "hapless,"
    without a single winning record or playoff appearance. In 20 AFL games against division rival the Oakland
    Raiders, we went 4-15-1, and against the Texans/Chiefs, 1-19. But we had our FANS! The loyalty and support
    of our fans saw the team through that dark decade, and as the city grew from sleepy backwater to bustling
    metropolis, the Broncos burst out of the gates in their first year in the National Football League.

    The team made huge strides in the NFL. Before twenty years had gone by, the Broncos obtained a world-class
    quarterback, played in four Super Bowls and became a perennial playoff contender. As the 90s progressed, we
    won two Super Bowls back-to-back, and firmly established the Denver Broncos among a half dozen "E    LITE
    NFL FRANCHISES."

    The team's hard-earned status continued well-maintained deep into the next century. The number of Broncos
    in the Hall of Fame jumped from 0 to 8 in no time, and the team won its third Super Bowl Championship in
    2015-2016. But serious cracks started to show in 2017 and 2018. And now, in 2021, the team's Elite status is
    in jeopardy. Below are examples of excellence in a wide variety of areas, with indications where we need to
    shore up. But by no means should we consider this team an also-ran just yet. After all, we rose from the ashes
    of a decade of ineptitude to maintain the franchise at the top of the sport for 48-plus years. And that 5-34-1
    AFL record against our two main rivals? We have a winning record against both in the NFL.





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      i’m optimistic denver will upgrade the QB position next year and return to where it was prior to 2016. Elway really set the team back after Manning with his choices of QB.

      PFM may be in the organization next year.

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      • #4
        Ironic the man who predominantly led them to elite status is also largely responsible for their demise.

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        • #5
          I dunno guys, John was in charge when things went south, sure. But I can't see how his first 5 years can be seen as anything other than brilliant.

          His draft picks, his free agents, those he allowed to leave as free agents ... his coaching hires, the fact Peyton credited him above all for signing here. There's too much good for me to completely abandon him.

          Guessing wrong on QBs happens all the time to everybody.

          Now .............. he should've seen that Vance was the wrong guy. Vic too. Those two hires - after Paxton Lynch, well, one can see why he wanted off the hot seat.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by ceh View Post
            i’m optimistic denver will upgrade the QB position next year and return to where it was prior to 2016. Elway really set the team back after Manning with his choices of QB.

            PFM may be in the organization next year.

            Will PFM have the balls to fire Elway if he becomes owner?

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            • #7
              Dude. We were awesome.
              now we are a QB away from being the lower- middle side of our history. Without a QB we are like the AFL team.

              But go Broncos...

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              • #8
                Joe Burrow is destroying the Ravens' defense - 31 points in the first half.

                I guess Vic - he of the 2nd best defense in the League points-wise - shouldda been hired as DC.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Broncos_Avs_4L View Post


                  Will PFM have the balls to fire Elway if he becomes owner?
                  Thank god Elway's contract is over after 2021

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ceh View Post

                    Thank god Elway's contract is over after 2021
                    How awkward would that conversation be if he had to? Post Super Bowl win he made many more bad moves than good ones. Joe Flacco was in his prime comment was when I really started to doubt he had the ability to get things figured out.

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                    • #11
                      As soon as elway didn’t have a goat QB he got exposed as Matt millen 2.0
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 69bronco View Post
                        As soon as elway didn’t have a goat QB he got exposed as Matt millen 2.0
                        Yes. I have been saying this for years.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 69bronco
                          As soon as elway didn’t have a goat QB he got exposed as Matt millen 2.0
                          Originally posted by qbronco
                          Yes. I have been saying this for years.

                          Jeez, I do NOT get you guys ... (and there's LOTS of you guys).

                          When John walked into the building in January 2011, this franchise was a full-blown disaster. Coming off a franchise-worst 4-12 season - no coaches, no players - the cupboard was bare and we were rightly labelled as cheaters. FOUR YEARS LATER we fielded a team of John 's acquisitions that established the No-Fly Zone and burned through the League to a 3rd Super Bowl win.

                          And here's the kicker: We did it despite the fact Peyton Manning's skills fell off the edge of the table HARD during the season.

                          Sometime you and all the John-as-GM-bashers should take a look at the 2015 roster, and trace how each player was acquired. Long story short, just 1 regular and 2 spec teamers were here 4+ years - before John - Demaryius Thomas, Britton Colquitt and David Bruton. That's it. (Ryan Harris too, he started in Denver but left a couple years for Houston. John brought him back).

                          John's busiest four years:

                          FA signings . . . . . ..... . .. . Draft picks

                          Aqib Talib . . . . . . . . .Derek Wolfe
                          Chris Harris                           . . . . . . . Sylvester Williams
                          T.J. Ward                           . . . . . . . . . Malik Jackson
                          Demarcus Ware                           . . . ..Danny Trevathan
                          Brandon Marshall                           .....Von Miller
                          Shaq Barrett                           . . . . . . .Bradley Roby

                          Peyton Manning                           . . . .Brock Landers                           (Osweiler)
                          Emanuel Sanders . . .Ronnie Hillman
                          Louis Vasquez. . . . . .Michael Schofield
                          Evan Mathis . . . . . ...Matt Paradis
                          C.J. Anderson...........Ty Sambrailo
                          Owen Daniels
                          Brandon McManus

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                          • #14
                            John's drafts were not always much to brag about, but compare his 10 drafts around the league, and I bet he breaks even.

                            So what is John's problem then? Well, what is our problem now, despite the fact we're #2 in scoring defense in the NFL?
                            Problem is Quarter-Back.

                            Osweiler might have developed into a serviceable starter had he remained instead of leaving in a huff.
                            Flacco "still in his prime?" That sounded foolish coming out of his mouth, but it was just a clumsy positive comment.
                            Keenum had no Minnesota Miracles left, Siemian was physically overmatched
                            Lynch was a colossal blunder - and efforts to develop him blocked new high QB picks for two years

                            But hey - John is FAR from alone in missing and missing on rookie QBs. In the last 7 or 8 years, there have been 7 or 8 QBs drafted higher than Paxton Lynch who've also WASHED OUT!



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                            In my opinion John has made just THREE big mistakes: Paxton Lynch, Vance Joseph and Vic Fangio. 4th big problem was Kubiak's health going bad, but that's nobody's fault. Actually I think John was telling the truth - he kicked himself upstairs. Not easy on the hot seat.

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                            • #15
                              Coaches and players came and left over the years but the Broncos always had strong ownership until recently. That seems to be the key factor. Bowlen always made changes quickly if the team started to head the wrong way.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post
                                I dunno guys, John was in charge when things went south, sure. But I can't see how his first 5 years can be seen as anything other than brilliant.

                                His draft picks, his free agents, those he allowed to leave as free agents ... his coaching hires, the fact Peyton credited him above all for signing here. There's too much good for me to completely abandon him.

                                Guessing wrong on QBs happens all the time to everybody.

                                Now .............. he should've seen that Vance was the wrong guy. Vic too. Those two hires - after Paxton Lynch, well, one can see why he wanted off the hot seat.
                                I think John would have hired Shanny Jr or Sr at some point. Ellis is the problem there.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post


                                  Jeez, I do NOT get you guys ... (and there's LOTS of you guys).

                                  When John walked into the building in January 2011, this franchise was a full-blown disaster. Coming off a franchise-worst 4-12 season - no coaches, no players - the cupboard was bare and we were rightly labelled as cheaters. FOUR YEARS LATER we fielded a team of John 's acquisitions that established the No-Fly Zone and burned through the League to a 3rd Super Bowl win.

                                  And here's the kicker: We did it despite the fact Peyton Manning's skills fell off the edge of the table HARD during the season.

                                  Sometime you and all the John-as-GM-bashers should take a look at the 2015 roster, and trace how each player was acquired. Long story short, just 1 regular and 2 spec teamers were here 4+ years - before John - Demaryius Thomas, Britton Colquitt and David Bruton. That's it. (Ryan Harris too, he started in Denver but left a couple years for Houston. John brought him back).

                                  John's busiest four years:

                                  FA signings . . . . . ..... . .. . Draft picks

                                  Aqib Talib . . . . . . . . .Derek Wolfe
                                  Chris Harris                                   . . . . . . . Sylvester Williams
                                  T.J. Ward                                   . . . . . . . . . Malik Jackson
                                  Demarcus Ware                                   . . . ..Danny Trevathan
                                  Brandon Marshall                                   .....Von Miller
                                  Shaq Barrett                                   . . . . . . .Bradley Roby

                                  Peyton Manning                                   . . . .Brock Landers                                   (Osweiler)
                                  Emanuel Sanders . . .Ronnie Hillman
                                  Louis Vasquez. . . . . .Michael Schofield
                                  Evan Mathis . . . . . ...Matt Paradis
                                  C.J. Anderson...........Ty Sambrailo
                                  Owen Daniels
                                  Brandon McManus
                                  I agree with you BB. John was amazing at getting us to another SB with Manning, and then turning around and putting together one of the greatest defenses of all time.

                                  He wiffed on Lynch, but Dallas and KC wanted him. He should have taken Josh Allen. If ding a franchise QB is tricky.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by uplink View Post
                                    Coaches and players came and left over the years but the Broncos always had strong ownership until recently. That seems to be the key factor. Bowlen always made changes quickly if the team started to head the wrong way.
                                    Yes, ownership is huge. No leadership & accountability.

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                                    • #19
                                      Not going to quote BB’s BS, but the reason why all of those free agents came to Denver was because of Peyton Manning. Most, if not all, said they wanted to play with PFM. The reason PFM stated he came to Denver was because he liked the history, reputation of the franchise, and the money.

                                      Notice how none of the highly coveted free agents wanted to go to Denver after PFM retired?

                                      Remember Elway wanted to hire VJ over Wade Phillips? How does SB50 go with VJ calling the defense?

                                      I find it humorous that people are defending a GM that has set this franchise back to its lowest point in 50+ years. I loved John Elway the quarterback. I think John Elway the GM was given too much credit.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by qbronco View Post
                                        Not going to quote BB’s BS, but the reason why all of those free agents came to Denver was because of Peyton Manning. Most, if not all, said they wanted to play with PFM. The reason PFM stated he came to Denver was because he liked the history, reputation of the franchise, and the money.

                                        Notice how none of the highly coveted free agents wanted to go to Denver after PFM retired?

                                        Remember Elway wanted to hire VJ over Wade Phillips? How does SB50 go with VJ calling the defense?

                                        I find it humorous that people are defending a GM that has set this franchise back to its lowest point in 50+ years. I loved John Elway the quarterback. I think John Elway the GM was given too much credit.
                                        Peyton has clearly stated on multiple occasions that Elway was the primary reason for his decision to come to Denver.
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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by qbronco View Post
                                          Not going to quote BB’s BS, but the reason why all of those free agents came to Denver was because of Peyton Manning. Most, if not all, said they wanted to play with PFM. The reason PFM stated he came to Denver was because he liked the history, reputation of the franchise, and the money.

                                          Notice how none of the highly coveted free agents wanted to go to Denver after PFM retired?

                                          Remember Elway wanted to hire VJ over Wade Phillips? How does SB50 go with VJ calling the defense?

                                          I find it humorous that people are defending a GM that has set this franchise back to its lowest point in 50+ years. I loved John Elway the quarterback. I think John Elway the GM was given too much credit.
                                          the two primary reason Peyton chose Denver

                                          playing in the AFC and not competing against Eli

                                          and the state of the AFCW was bad.

                                          this prep work was outstanding.

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                                          • #22
                                            Originally posted by BroncoJoe View Post

                                            Peyton has clearly stated on multiple occasions that Elway was the primary reason for his decision to come to Denver.
                                            It’s difficult to read criticism of the team’s golden boy. Let us know how you feel about the Broncos since SB50? Those years of failure have to attributed to poor decisions by the person in charge. Who was making those decisions?

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                                              Originally posted by qbronco View Post
                                              Not going to quote BB’s BS, but the reason why all of those free agents came to Denver was because of Peyton Manning. Most, if not all, said they wanted to play with PFM. The reason PFM stated he came to Denver was because he liked the history, reputation of the franchise, and the money.
                                              C'mon, if PFM is why the free agents signed on, John still deserves credit.

                                              Why? ceh is correct on two reasons PFM signed here, but according to PFM, reason #1 was ... John Elway.

                                              I remember his press conference to this day ... "Because of John's respect for the game." Later that first season he added that John was the only one of the 6 teams chasing him (not counting Pete Carroll sitting alone in his Cessna at Centennial Airport), said John was the only one who didn't bug him, "So Peyton, how do we compare with the other teams? Where do we stand, huh? Where are we?" He hated that. I think Pete Carroll sat on the Centennial tarmac four days before he gave up.

                                              Oh, BroncoJoe, yes ...!

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by qbronco View Post

                                                It’s difficult to read criticism of the team’s golden boy. Let us know how you feel about the Broncos since SB50? Those years of failure have to attributed to poor decisions by the person in charge. Who was making those decisions?
                                                Coaching decisions and QB has been his biggest downfall. The reason we have a team with a lot of (alleged) talent is due to him.

                                                And yes, it is difficult to bash Elway after all he's done for the Broncos. Does he have faults? Absolutely, but I'm not on the ship that sails toward that.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by BroncoBuff View Post

                                                  C'mon, if PFM is why the free agents signed on, John still deserves credit.

                                                  Why? ceh is correct on two reasons PFM signed here, but according to PFM, reason #1 was ... John Elway.

                                                  I remember his press conference to this day ... "Because of John's respect for the game." Later that first season he added that John was the only one of the 6 teams chasing him (not counting Pete Carroll sitting alone in his Cessna at Centennial Airport), said John was the only one who didn't bug him, "So Peyton, how do we compare with the other teams? Where do we stand, huh? Where are we?" He hated that. I think Pete Carroll sat on the Centennial tarmac four days before he gave up.

                                                  Oh, BroncoJoe, yes ...!
                                                  And here we sit. Cheering for an NFL bottom feeder. Haven’t sniffed the playoffs since SB50 or PFM. Yeah, that’s some stellar general management. Where’s the mastermind been the last six years? Oh yeah, hiring horrible head coaches and telling us Joe Flacco was in his prime. Good stuff!!! 😂

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