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  • Sutton drops passes as much as we believed DT did

    Yet everyone blames the QBs

  • #2
    DT did seem to drop a lot of passes. Probably had a ton go his way for years, so percentage wise probably pretty small.

    Judy had the dropsies last season, this season he’s just too far away for Ted to get him the ball.

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    • #3
      He's not trying to win Shurmer a job.
      he got his contract.

      Good for him making the tough choice

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post
        He's not trying to win Shurmer a job.
        he got his contract.

        Good for him making the tough choice
        Of not finishing routes and dropping passes? Patrick is still trying his best. Jeudy was running his routes.

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        • Old Coyote
          Old Coyote commented
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          I'm just salty. But good riddance to Shurmer.

      • #5
        I will not even think about being critical of any of our WRs when you have Teddy, can't throw the ball more than 5 yards, Bridgewater and Drew, can't hit water in the middle of the ocean, Lock throwing passes.

        You get a guy like Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson behind center and Sutton, Jeudy and Patrick all look much much different. Hell, even Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr make them look all world. TBW and Lock really are that bad. (TBW is worse tho, just saying... hope his eggs unscramble but he sucks).

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        • #6
          I said it when it happened that this was a bad signing. Nothing against Sutton, but he's not an elite receiver imo. This could work out well tho if using him as trade bait.

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          • R8R H8R
            R8R H8R commented
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            Very possible that one of the two are used in a trade for a vet QB. That may have been the plan all along.

        • #7
          Originally posted by 76er View Post
          I will not even think about being critical of any of our WRs when you have Teddy, can't throw the ball more than 5 yards, Bridgewater and Drew, can't hit water in the middle of the ocean, Lock throwing passes.

          You get a guy like Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson behind center and Sutton, Jeudy and Patrick all look much much different. Hell, even Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr make them look all world. TBW and Lock really are that bad. (TBW is worse tho, just saying... hope his eggs unscramble but he sucks).
          That's the problem. The ball is hitting and going through his hands and he isn't pulling it in. I despise Teddy ball but I'm not blaming him anymore for Sutton's failings.

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          • #8
            Originally posted by OmegaBronco View Post
            I said it when it happened that this was a bad signing. Nothing against Sutton, but he's not an elite receiver imo. This could work out well tho if using him as trade bait.
            Good thing they didn't give him "elite" money than, right?

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            • #9
              Originally posted by BroncoJoe View Post

              Good thing they didn't give him "elite" money than, right?
              He will be occupying our number one slot for a while, won't he? BUT, I think we could move his contract. You know, making him someone else's retread.

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              • #10
                also good thing Shurmur uses JJ as a jet sweep decoy

                what an idiot

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                • R8R H8R
                  R8R H8R commented
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                  Has any of the media ever asked him what purpose the fake jet sweep serves if you never actually go through with it at least once in the game?

              • #11
                Originally posted by ceh View Post
                also good thing Shurmur uses JJ as a jet sweep decoy

                what an idiot
                Have we handed it off on that at all this year? Heaven forbid we get our playmakers the ball. Can’t stand Shurmer.

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                • #12
                  Originally posted by ceh View Post
                  also good thing Shurmur uses JJ as a jet sweep decoy

                  what an idiot
                  That is the dumbest play that every defense knows what it will be. Yet dumbass Shurmur uses it every week.

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                  • #13
                    Eh, I don't think drops are a huge issue. He has been credited with between 4-5 drops from various sources the whole year. Nothing too out of line. A few of them would have been the other day.

                    The big issue is the low percentage (sub 60-percent) of the targets that result in catches. A lot of that has to do with poor quarterback play, but also the fact that a decent amount of his targets come from low percentage throws Bridgewater really doesn't have the arm for.

                    Earlier in the season, he and Patrick were sporting above 70-percent catch rates based on targets. That's plummeted for both of them the past five weeks or so. Not really surprising. Unacceptable for #1/#2 WR to average 60-percent efficiency between the both of them. Sutton's never had above a 60-percent catch-rate ever as a pro. That's not good.

                    Denver's best bet to make the Sutton/Patrick contract(s) worth it is to go all-in on one of the high-end veteran QBs that could be on the market. There isn't a rookie QB in the 2022 class who is going to come in right away and move the needle that much better than what we have seen this year, IMHO. Though there are a few guys who have hoses that are absolutely great on the type of routes and throws that maximize Sutton's potential.

                    I'm still surprised Paton paid both Sutton and Patrick. The deals are friendly and easy to get out of well before their duration expires, but without a QB in the fold it seems a little bit iffy. We will see.

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                      Eh, I don't think drops are a huge issue. He has been credited with between 4-5 drops from various sources the whole year. Nothing too out of line. A few of them would have been the other day.

                      The big issue is the low percentage (sub 60-percent) of the targets that result in catches. A lot of that has to do with poor quarterback play, but also the fact that a decent amount of his targets come from low percentage throws Bridgewater really doesn't have the arm for.

                      Earlier in the season, he and Patrick were sporting above 70-percent catch rates based on targets. That's plummeted for both of them the past five weeks or so. Not really surprising. Unacceptable for #1/#2 WR to average 60-percent efficiency between the both of them. Sutton's never had above a 60-percent catch-rate ever as a pro. That's not good.

                      Denver's best bet to make the Sutton/Patrick contract(s) worth it is to go all-in on one of the high-end veteran QBs that could be on the market. There isn't a rookie QB in the 2022 class who is going to come in right away and move the needle that much better than what we have seen this year, IMHO. Though there are a few guys who have hoses that are absolutely great on the type of routes and throws that maximize Sutton's potential.

                      I'm still surprised Paton paid both Sutton and Patrick. The deals are friendly and easy to get out of well before their duration expires, but without a QB in the fold it seems a little bit iffy. We will see.
                      Bowlen rake aside, on a cap basis, we can afford iffy. I prefer that to where those resources were going otherwise.

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                      • #15
                        Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                        Bowlen rake aside, on a cap basis, we can afford iffy. I prefer that to where those resources were going otherwise.
                        I would have to think one of the reasons why Paton took the job is because he inherited one of the league's best cap situations.

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                        • #16
                          Originally posted by Requiem View Post

                          I would have to think one of the reasons why Paton took the job is because he inherited one of the league's best cap situations.
                          100% It's not like he was sold on the ownership situation.

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                          • #17
                            No doubt about it, Sutton had a rough game. I still think he’s not fully recovered from his knee injury. I’m looking for better things from him next season.

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                            • #18
                              Use him as trade bait for a QB. Send Lock and Sutton somewhere. Market them as jump ball specialist.

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                              • #19
                                Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                                Eh, I don't think drops are a huge issue. He has been credited with between 4-5 drops from various sources the whole year. Nothing too out of line. A few of them would have been the other day.

                                The big issue is the low percentage (sub 60-percent) of the targets that result in catches. A lot of that has to do with poor quarterback play, but also the fact that a decent amount of his targets come from low percentage throws Bridgewater really doesn't have the arm for.

                                Earlier in the season, he and Patrick were sporting above 70-percent catch rates based on targets. That's plummeted for both of them the past five weeks or so. Not really surprising. Unacceptable for #1/#2 WR to average 60-percent efficiency between the both of them. Sutton's never had above a 60-percent catch-rate ever as a pro. That's not good.

                                Denver's best bet to make the Sutton/Patrick contract(s) worth it is to go all-in on one of the high-end veteran QBs that could be on the market. There isn't a rookie QB in the 2022 class who is going to come in right away and move the needle that much better than what we have seen this year, IMHO. Though there are a few guys who have hoses that are absolutely great on the type of routes and throws that maximize Sutton's potential.

                                I'm still surprised Paton paid both Sutton and Patrick. The deals are friendly and easy to get out of well before their duration expires, but without a QB in the fold it seems a little bit iffy. We will see.
                                Agree with everything stated on this post. Spot on!

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                                • #20
                                  the albert O drop at :28 seconds on 1st and 10 of the last drive of the first half
                                  at the cincy 42 was a back breaker
                                  7 yards closer for McManus
                                  7 yards further for cincy to go.
                                  possible 6 point swing
                                  and in the turnover from Lock potential 9 points from 2 play that should have been made 💯 of the time

                                  could have been a 16-13 lead for Denver maybe trying to keep cincy from scoring on the last drive







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                                  • #21
                                    Originally posted by ceh View Post
                                    the albert O drop at :28 seconds on 1st and 10 of the last drive of the first half
                                    at the cincy 42 was a back breaker
                                    7 yards closer for McManus
                                    7 yards further for cincy to go.
                                    possible 6 point swing
                                    and in the turnover from Lock potential 9 points from 2 play that should have been made 💯 of the time

                                    could have been a 16-13 lead for Denver maybe trying to keep cincy from scoring on the last drive






                                    Drops are going to happen, every team has them, but you have to be good enough to overcome them.

                                    They get 9 yards on the next play. But by then, there’s only 17 seconds left, because they somehow managed to waste 3 1/2 minutes to go only like 30 yards.

                                    There wasn’t realistically enough time to get the TD by that point. It’s pretty simple, run the ball, get the first, use your last TO, take a shot at the endzone then kick the field goal, the clock at least keeps running if you do t get the first. This is football 101. Instead they throw it, terrible pass by Teddy and we all know the rest…

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                                    • #22
                                      Originally posted by OmegaBronco View Post
                                      I said it when it happened that this was a bad signing. Nothing against Sutton, but he's not an elite receiver imo. This could work out well tho if using him as trade bait.
                                      He is to elite, he’s still recovering from that acl injury. He may never get back to where he was before the injury but he is still elite!

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                                      • Old Coyote
                                        Old Coyote commented
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                                        Sutton will look awesome with Lock again.
                                        He dropped a few.
                                        It happens.
                                        But Teddy would already be looking at the TE before Sutton and Patrick hit their moves.
                                        Many times both were open and Teddy already checked down.
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