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**DD55** · 01-01-2023, 07:24 PM

They need a crusty old man that will ride his ass. I think we know now that Klint Kubiak sucks at play calling. Outten called a pretty good game actually. 1 percent is right though. The OL is so freaking bad it is hard to do anything well. Easily the worst OL Russ has played behind. Georgio has neglected it for his 2 years here.

**IndelibleScribe** · 01-01-2023, 07:27 PM

OL is terrible, yes Russ loves to run around and go for long bombs but this season has been atrocious with OL play.
For all of the shit that Munchak got from the fans, I don't ever remember it being this bad with Siemian or Lock.

**Tangerine** · 01-01-2023, 07:39 PM

Out of all the injuries, I can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened had Javonte not got injured. Run heavy and playaction to compliment the defense.

Murray has done the best you can expect, but he’s a 32 year old RB who started the year on a practice squad, he is what he is.

How many of those low-scoring, ugly games would’ve flipped the Broncos way with Javonte? Could’ve leaned on him as well as Russ worked out his yips.

**qbronco** · 01-01-2023, 07:40 PM

I’m on the Russ sucks bandwagon. Yes, I acknowledge his Oline and play calling were atrocious. I base my opinions on seeing open receivers crossing his field of vision and he throws to one that is covered. He doesn’t move his protections. His turnovers, just like the int today, are head scratchers. Because of money I know he will be our starter next year. To me, RW looks shell-shocked. I’m not sure that can be fixed?

**Old Coyote** · 01-01-2023, 07:45 PM

Flip flopper. Lol

**listopencil** · 01-01-2023, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by qbronco View Post

I’m on the Russ sucks bandwagon. Yes, I acknowledge his Oline and play calling were atrocious. I base my opinions on seeing open receivers crossing his field of vision and he throws to one that is covered. He doesn’t move his protections. His turnovers, just like the int today, are head scratchers. Because of money I know he will be our starter next year. To me, RW looks shell-shocked. I’m not sure that can be fixed?

Same. Yes, he played better today than he has previously this year, but he's been garbage this year and that's a low bar to make. He still lacks awareness. He still doesn't "see" things. My only hope is that the Broncos build a better O-Line for him next year and that the next Head Coach installs an Offense that he (and his receivers) can get a better grasp of. Those two things need to happen. If they don't then I have no expectation of improvement.

**Don Eladio** · 01-01-2023, 07:55 PM

The Broncos will never win consistently with RW. A good coach will mask his warts to a certain extent, but that's almost worse because it just complicates the search for a true franchise QB. I understand the need to keep him around for another year, but I hope the coaching search doesn't become a quest to find the coach to "fix Russ." Honestly, I'd almost rather they go nuclear option and just eat the cap hit this season.

**Tangerine** · 01-01-2023, 08:11 PM

Not much of a choice at this point, he’s here next year, all we got is hope for a miraculous turnaround with a new coach.

Carson Palmer was really terrible when he was traded to the Raiders, then bounced back starting his 2nd year with them, then played at a high level with the Cardinals for a few years.

It’s just hard to imagine that happening though with Russ though, there’s just so much bad.

**nflbronco** · 01-01-2023, 08:17 PM

I'm done with Russ myself but, understand he'll be here. We need a Big Name HC that's like Jerry. OL needs massive overhaul in a weak T class bummer. We need more juice at WR RB and TE. As far as Russ can we ever get B B+ level Russ. Its what we need to move the needle in 23.

**go_broncos** · 01-01-2023, 08:18 PM

Good for you. after watching him play next season, you will join back.

**bronco militia** · 01-01-2023, 08:21 PM

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**Ed Reed** · 01-01-2023, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Don Eladio View Post

The Broncos will never win consistently with RW. A good coach will mask his warts to a certain extent, but that's almost worse because it just complicates the search for a true franchise QB. I understand the need to keep him around for another year, but I hope the coaching search doesn't become a quest to find the coach to "fix Russ." Honestly, I'd almost rather they go nuclear option and just eat the cap hit this season.

Agree with all of this. Worst case scenario is that they do get a good coach that fosters enough improvement that amounts to nothing more than complicating the future - which is what I fully expect to happen to this team at this point: worst case scenario.

The irritating part of this is the narrative now that poor Russ just needed "his system". That's nonsense. Russ came here signing off on Hackett and his system. They spent the offseason together planning and developing it. Russ wanted to become a different player. Now that his scapegoat is gone he has nowhere to hide (not that Hackett wasn't due his fair share of blame). He's in survival mode now and his team can always passive-aggressively allude to Hackett as the reason he's been so awful.

I don't know the guy, but this whole season just reeks of putting his own interests ahead of the team.

**cousinal11** · 01-01-2023, 08:35 PM

Gotta love 3rd person threads.

Been like this most of the year. Russell has been humiliated but offensive line is terrible & major injuries have hurt offense.

**Vera Hara** · 01-01-2023, 08:36 PM

What did I miss?

**IndelibleScribe** · 01-01-2023, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Don Eladio View Post

The Broncos will never win consistently with RW. A good coach will mask his warts to a certain extent, but that's almost worse because it just complicates the search for a true franchise QB. I understand the need to keep him around for another year, but I hope the coaching search doesn't become a quest to find the coach to "fix Russ." Honestly, I'd almost rather they go nuclear option and just eat the cap hit this season.

In that case, you draft a QB this year since you need a back up anyway. A Hendon Hooker type would make a lot of sense.

Then you let the next HC stop the bleeding on Russ for a few years and then if the QB you draft this year doesn't work out then you draft a QB in the 1st to replace him and move on.

**Tangerine** · 01-01-2023, 08:42 PM

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Javonte, Tim Patrick, Dulcich, Bolles. There’s a lot of pieces on offense coming back from injury. If (big if) they can return to form, that’ll be a boost for the offense.

Of course, no matter what moves are made, Russ will remain to be the elephant in the room. He needs to vastly improve, but even then I doubt he can live up to that ridiculous contract.

I can dream he agrees to a massive restructure at some point, though that likely isn’t happening.

**Don Eladio** · 01-01-2023, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Ed Reed View Post

Agree with all of this. Worst case scenario is that they do get a good coach that fosters enough improvement that amounts to nothing more than complicating the future - which is what I fully expect to happen to this team at this point: worst case scenario.

The irritating part of this is the narrative now that poor Russ just needed "his system". That's nonsense. Russ came here signing off on Hackett and his system. They spent the offseason together planning and developing it. Russ wanted to become a different player. Now that his scapegoat is gone he has nowhere to hide (not that Hackett wasn't due his fair share of blame). He's in survival mode now and his team can always passive-aggressively allude to Hackett as the reason he's been so awful.

I don't know the guy, but this whole season just reeks of putting his own interests ahead of the team.

Completely agree. The poor Russ was hampered by Hackett narrative is going strong. Hackett sucked. No doubt. But Russ has been a complete and total disaster in an offense he helped to design and implement. He's also physically diminished. No doubt an improved line, new coach, and RB depth will bring improvements, but to what end? 6 wins? 8 wins?

**go_broncos** · 01-01-2023, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Don Eladio View Post

Completely agree. The poor Russ was hampered by Hackett narrative is going strong. Hackett sucked. No doubt. But Russ has been a complete and total disaster in an offense he helped to design and implement. He's also physically diminished. No doubt an improved line, new coach, and RB depth will bring improvements, but to what end? 6 wins? 8 wins?

I would say 8 wins with an experienced coach..Won't work in AFC.

**R8R H8R** · 01-01-2023, 09:20 PM

Who the hell hacked 1% account? Well, I agree with what he is saying because I saw a lot of the same. I saw a lot of dink and dunk with chunk plays seeming to have purpose rather than going long just for the hell of it.

I thought Outten didn’t run the ball enough, but using Jeudy and the TE’s in the short game helped that. I said during the week that Rosburg had to force Outten to run more of the concepts that Russ ran at Seattle whether he liked it or not. Well, I think he did that, and this game was waaay closer than I thought it was going to be. And a lot of that is because of Wilson.

I saw 2 or 3 designed runs for Russ, and I think all of them had success, incl the 1st TD. Where has this been all season? I get they didn’t want to wear him out, but Russ pretty much avoided any massive collisions. That’s the Wilson I remember.

Anyway, like I said in another thread, I think Russ is fixable, and today was a step towards that. Besides, what other choice do we have; Russ is our QB whether you like it or not.

**69bronco** · 01-01-2023, 09:26 PM

I’ll take whatever you had today, Russ lost us the game

**Don Eladio** · 01-01-2023, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by go_broncos View Post

I would say 8 wins with an experienced coach..Won't work in AFC.

That's my point. Best case scenario, you land a quality coach who masks Russ' decline/deficiencies, address RT, G and RB in the draft and you get Tim Patrick back, we're still likely looking at a .500ish team which doesn't move the needle. Better to nuke Russ ASAP, draft a QB 3rd round this year and draft a QB 1st round next year. Ground up rebuild with the new coach.

**Mozzafiato** · 01-01-2023, 09:36 PM

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**Don Eladio** · 01-01-2023, 09:42 PM

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Lol. This guy uses Dak and Kirk Cousins as evidence for his Russ redemption argument. Because we all know the NFL collectively fears those guys and all of their playoff successes.

**The1percentKid** · 01-01-2023, 09:57 PM

I mean what else do we have? You guys want me as the same negative Nancy week 1 in 2023? I’ve done that for 7 years now…watching that game today exposed just how bad Hackett was. Hackett literally accelerated the regression of all players. He costs multiple games by himself. He had no clue how to approach Wilson’s decline and how to adjust to it. Today we saw some of that adjusting. Hell I watched more rollouts today than all year. Move him off that bullseye in the middle behind players 2 feet taller than him who can’t block.

I’ve never watched more OL turn around to look at Wilson on the ground. Every OL but Bolles and Fleming can go.

I ripped Wilson all year. Made threads saying he’s not even a QB anymore. I watched something different today. I realize he won’t ever be the old Wilson or top 10. The contract sucks. But if he’s 11-15 and they stay relatively healthy because there’s no depth, being competitive at 9-10 wins is a possibility in 2023.

that’s success to me if they hit 9-10 in a year I assumed will be 3-5 wins. Maybe 3-4 wins in 2023 is better long term cause they draft a QB, but I’m going into this offseason and 2023 with hope.

Also, if they **** up the coaching decision I may flip flop again as Old Coyote said.

all of this hinges on who comes in.

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