No.

He will tank commander our glorious tank for Williams though.

I actually agree with this, as unpopular as it may be. In fact, I’m marking my spot to bump later. I say he ends up in the top-3 of Comeback Player of the Year next year.

My justifications:

1) As Zero mentioned, he didn’t start sucking overnight. He’s never going to be what he was 5-7 years ago. But he’s also not the worst qb in the NFL, as he’s looked.

2) There is going to be a commitment made to the line this offseason. Because there has to be. To start, Garrett Bolles will be back, so we’re at least serviceable at LT - also assuming we don’t end up with the coach’s high school buddy as OL coach.

3) You have to assume that we’re going to have more talent at literally every skill position. Dulcich has the experience of this year to build on, and a healthy offseason to develop. Tim Patrick is presumably back and healthy. Javonte is back, and we won’t have a guy splitting carries with him that is going to single-handedly lose games for us.

4) I don’t care who we have coaching the offense. Unless his last name is Shurmer, he’s going to be an upgrade over what we had this year.

5) Russell Wilson is a prideful guy, and you have to hope there will be some self-reflection and renewed commitment this off-season. This is more of a hope than an assumption. But what appeared to be a slam-dunk HOF career has completely crashed. For a guy that has the drive to be as successful as he has been, that can’t sit well.

I don’t know. This season just feels like a perfect storm for everything that could possibly go wrong. We aren’t winning 12-14 games next year. But I don’t believe we’re a 4-win team, either.

That's the spirit! Hope abounds! .....just wait until you have the new coach in place...that will get a little buzz going and then the FA period and draft....and then the real magic can happen when camp gets here! By then you all will not be able to resist! You never can! The allure of a fresh start...a new year...the possibilities!

F Russ. I want him gone. Russ checked out before he even checked into Denver.

Not redeemable enough to ever be a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

Russ Sucks.. everyone knows it. unfortunately, with the money he was signed. can't cut him.
the new coach will come and try to fix him. At max, we will be 3rd in the division instead of last.

After next season, he will be cut.

The main issue i have with him is there are lot of opportunities he can throw short passes or even run to convert 3rd and short situations to first down. all he does is throw long ball.

This can be taught to a rookie QB. Russ believes it's the correct way. you can't teach to a ignorant.

GOOD TEAMS can take their QB out of the equation for a couple weeks and still win.

I think we just need to focus on building that kind of roster. Ask John Lynch over for a drink and see how he builds his roster. Then, steal his talent evaluators - WIN!

I feel confident that Russ can be a great part of the team that helps us win, he's not my biggest concern by a long shot.
1. Get the right Head Coach that focuses on a roster full of playmakers (rather than expecting Russ to "be the guy").
2. Build the shit out of our run game - yes, that means a mauling O-line.
3. Find some receivers with great hands that can stay healthy.

If we can do those three things, I think we can enjoy a quick turnaround. Any shortcomings (beginning with point #1) and we're in for more suck.

This doesn't work in AFC. Might work in NFC.

You can't win games on a consistent basis without elite QB.

None of these ideas take into consideration how disliked Russ is by his teammates. It would be one thing if he was physically diminished and was a team leader willing to adapt. But he's fake without any sense of self awareness or true leadership. He'll be benched within 6 games next year.

I share this hope, but it feels ignorant to do so as I've seen nothing justify it beyond our own desires.

Low IQ football take if you think this graph suddenly goes up. This isn’t 2017 Wilson. Old fat and washed up.

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in the middle 2015
why did it it go down 2 ticks before it went back up?

what’s up with that set of data point

He has his own office. Makes his teammates go through his mgmt team to discuss issues. WTH? Why and the f did we give this guy his own office? Now, we can't trade this guy for a cheeseburger.

Not only that, but he's diminished and completely delusional about his own limitations and relationships with teammates and without any ability to self-reflect. Mark my words, he'll be benched next year after a 1-4 start. Team needs to draft RT, G, and RB this year to have a decent core in place for a Rookie QB in 25.

The only thing that will change how his teammates perceive him is Russ playing at a high level again. This also means the vibes will be terrible all off-season, nobody who was here this year will believe in him. And if he sucks again, the team will check out in record time.

I think the least you can do is to bring in a Minshew/Brissett type to compete in camp.

Why are you choosing to live and die on a hill that no one has ever heard of? I have been closely following the Broncos for decades and this is the first time I've ever seen the stat "EPA." Now, this solitary graphic keeps getting redundantly posted in all our threads like it is the reason our offense failed. This stat is obviously the result of many factors, and I have very little concept how you unwind it from the team in general (injuries, new coaching staff, O-line issues, bad play calls). I don't get why you are hammering this one stat.

If it is an important stat, we want "TEAM EPA," not just player EPA. Brock Purdy on 30 other teams lays a goose egg. He's successful because the roster is excellent, and the game plan is terrific. Russ has a record of 107-60-1. That means he has won 63.7% of his games. A 17 game season puts his average at 10.8 wins. So, some coaches understand how to get the best out of him. It's just a fact. We need to find that coach (coaches), and get this ship righted.

I think upgrading backup QB in FA should be an obvious priority. And depending on how the draft falls, maybe take a QB with a 3rd rounder as well. I'd carry 3 QBs on the roster with the real possibility of Russ being Derek Carred at some point next season.

I don't want Wilson to be fixed. I want him to throw 3 interceptions in every game and lose all his sponsors. That's the only way to get rid of his phony ways. The first thing he should have done if he's truly sorry for Hackett's firing was willingly give up all of those stupid privileges inside the facility.

Yeah, he's redeemable. Redeemable for an order of fried zucchini from Carl's Jr.......

It’s possible. All his bull shit personal coaches can get the **** out or he’s done.

You are right that he has gotten a very big head since coming to DEN, but to say that he still has the physical tools to be an elite QB is false. I watched him during his last 2 seasons in Seattle and there was an indicator of his decline that no one in the DEN FO bothered to check. His decision making skills had diminished and he was beginning to show the signs of mental breakdown due to being sacked a million times. You could see Pete Carroll talking to him on the sidelines a lot more in the last 2 seasons then ever before. It was clear that something was not right in his cabeza....... His physical skills will continue to decline to the point where he won't even be able to find the huddle.

so last year final 7 games for Russ
after coming back from injury

Russ 15 TDs 3 INT 28 ppg

but let’s use a wired ass stat to see his decine

In 2015, the Hawks started slow and then caught fire to finish the season at 12-4. RW had a passer rating of 118, which I believe was the highest of his career. The biggest problem with 2015 which has plagued Seattle every year, (with the exception of this year) was the lack of a running game. RW wanted to always play for the home run shot, like he does now and when the playoffs came and they met up with the eventual NFC champion Carolina Panthers, they got waxed. The reason why the EPA went up after that was because of the emergence of Doug Baldwin and 2nd year player Tyler Lockett. With these 2 in the mix along with Luke Willson at TE, RW was able to throw the deep ball again. He has always relied on throwing the ball deep. I have no clue as to why. IN 2016 they added Jimmy Graham and Paul Richardson to the mix and the points only went up from there. I hope that helps.