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    Denver has 25 free agents at the end of the season. Who do you want back and who can walk.

    The biggest name as a FA is Dremont Jones, if we can sign him to a deal similar to what DJ Jones got then that's a no brainer. 3 years 30 million, if he wants a stupid amount of money then I'm comfortable tagging and trading him. We should be able to get a 2nd or 3rd in return for Dremont and draft his replacement with that pick or go get a guy like Matthew Ioannidis.

    The next biggest name to me is Alex Singleton. The signing this off season was questionable to me but his play has earned another contract, he's easily been one of the best players on the defense this season and needs to be brought back.

    Deshawn Williams should be cheap so go ahead and bring him back and let him battle it out with Henningson for the other DE spot.

    Cam Flemming and Calvin Anderson are decent backups but not good enough to be starters. Bring them back as cheap backups.

    Locke, Griffith and Bassey are all RFA and will be cheap so they will be back. Locke could compete with Sterns for the SS spot.

    ​​​​​​​Cutting Darby, Glasgow, McManus, Edmonds, Martin puts us at 57 million in cap space which is enough to throw some money at a RT and bring back the FA I mentioned above plus bring in a replacement for Dremont and have an extra draft pick from the trade.

  • #2
    To be brutally honest, I'm not excited about any of the names on your list. They can all go as far as I'm concerned......

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    • #3
      Cut them all and take that savings to get rid of Wilson

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      • #4
        It doesn't matter as long as Paton and Hackett are there. We need results not some fake PR like we did for the past few years.

        In Training camp..all we hear is "WOW..look at him.. he is awesome".. Same thing every year.

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        • #5
          Talentless team, don’t keep anyone.. they need upgrades

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          • #6
            Dre'Mont Jones is going to get a contract that's easily $15M a year annually. He will command a good market.

            I'd keep all the ERFA/RFA guys as cheap depth besides the ones that truly are doo doo, but I don't care about anyone else.

            Agree with most of the cuts too. If I were Denver, I'd be as cheap as Hell this off-season and roll over as much as you can to absorb getting rid of Wilson with a '24 post-June first designation after next year.

            Might as well field a team of relegates next year. Tank for a Top 3 pick and suck. Just be horrible all together. Start rebuilding. Then you can get rid of Sutton, Patrick, Bolles, and a few other turds after next season.

            Only about ten players that are solid NFL players on this roster. Everyone else is crapola!

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            • #7
              Exactly req but they won't

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                Dre'Mont Jones is going to get a contract that's easily $15M a year annually. He will command a good market.

                I'd keep all the ERFA/RFA guys as cheap depth besides the ones that truly are doo doo, but I don't care about anyone else.

                Agree with most of the cuts too. If I were Denver, I'd be as cheap as Hell this off-season and roll over as much as you can to absorb getting rid of Wilson with a '24 post-June first designation after next year.

                Might as well field a team of relegates next year. Tank for a Top 3 pick and suck. Just be horrible all together. Start rebuilding. Then you can get rid of Sutton, Patrick, Bolles, and a few other turds after next season.

                Only about ten players that are solid NFL players on this roster. Everyone else is crapola!
                Agree with all this. Maybe 10 guys on the roster which means you blow it up and get rid of the bloat. They won't do it, but they should.

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                • #9
                  Unused '22 Cap Space: $11.6M (I think EOY performance bonuses will take away from this number.
                  '23 Cap Space (Estimate): $19M +above rollover ~ $30M.

                  For Sure Moves:

                  Cut Glasgow and save $11M. ($3M Dead Money)
                  Cut Darby and save $10M. ($3M Dead Money)
                  Cut Edmonds and save $6M. (No Dead Money)

                  That's $27M (without other moves) and gets you to Allen's projection of $57M.

                  If you get rid of McManus they would save another couple of million. Did Ojemudia get kidnapped? Save over a million by getting rid of him too. Purcell and a few others (if you wanted) and Denver's above $60M+.

                  Worth contract extension talks: Dre'Mont Jones.

                  Keep these E/RFAs for Camp Competition: Griffith, Bassey, Rypien, Bobenmyer, Locke, Waitman as E/RFA guys.

                  They could approach Saubert, Tomlinson, or Beck for back-up, minimum TE deals. Whoever the forthcoming regime deserves to be there. Dulcich and AO (who is M-I-A) are the only TE on the roster for next season.

                  Literally everyone else can walk unless you can get Turner, Fleming, or Anderson to be a back-up OL for dirt cheap just Denver doesn't have a lot of bodies there.

                  IDGAF. Try and spin some compensatory picks for '24. Gonna need 'em. Every single one.

                  But this team needs to draft two OL in the upcoming draft. I'd actually like to see three, but that's probably too greedy to expect. Absolutely abhorrent how long they've ignored that.

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                  • #10
                    I will offer this as a glimmer of hope..... The college and pro game have now swung largely toward using atheltic run/pass QB's and the pendulum has swung too far.

                    Just like the run n shoot was a novel way to take a limited QB and squeeze stats and production out of them...only to see them fail once in the NFL....the same thing is happening with alot of these guys now....Passing offense is down, and headed down becasue defenses have caught up to the trend, and too many of these guys arms aren't equal to their legs.

                    Having said that...the talking heads, and even many front offices, are in my estimation, overlooking guys in college now, who are good passers with good arms but aren't such great runners. The NFL still is and is always going to be a leauge where your QB needs to be a prime time passer FIRST..and legs are just a bonus.

                    If the Broncos (and/or others) can identify a passing talent that is being undervalued because of the trend of having ultra mobile QB's...MAYBE you pluck a diamond at QB in the 3rd/4th round of the draft. Still remote and a tall order, but there might be an opportunity for some team willing to zig when everyone else is zagging.

                    probably not and you are doomed to suck for the forseable future.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                      Unused '22 Cap Space: $11.6M (I think EOY performance bonuses will take away from this number.
                      '23 Cap Space (Estimate): $19M +above rollover ~ $30M.

                      For Sure Moves:

                      Cut Glasgow and save $11M. ($3M Dead Money)
                      Cut Darby and save $10M. ($3M Dead Money)
                      Cut Edmonds and save $6M. (No Dead Money)

                      That's $27M (without other moves) and gets you to Allen's projection of $57M.

                      If you get rid of McManus they would save another couple of million. Did Ojemudia get kidnapped? Save over a million by getting rid of him too. Purcell and a few others (if you wanted) and Denver's above $60M+.

                      Worth contract extension talks: Dre'Mont Jones.

                      Keep these E/RFAs for Camp Competition: Griffith, Bassey, Rypien, Bobenmyer, Locke, Waitman as E/RFA guys.

                      They could approach Saubert, Tomlinson, or Beck for back-up, minimum TE deals. Whoever the forthcoming regime deserves to be there. Dulcich and AO (who is M-I-A) are the only TE on the roster for next season.

                      Literally everyone else can walk unless you can get Turner, Fleming, or Anderson to be a back-up OL for dirt cheap just Denver doesn't have a lot of bodies there.

                      IDGAF. Try and spin some compensatory picks for '24. Gonna need 'em. Every single one.

                      But this team needs to draft two OL in the upcoming draft. I'd actually like to see three, but that's probably too greedy to expect. Absolutely abhorrent how long they've ignored that.
                      Having Dremont back would be nice but not at 15 million a year. I would start the conversation around the same number as as DJ Jones with a higher signing bonus, but I believe Dremont can be replaced in the draft with a cheaper option. Tuli Tuilpulotu, Colby Wooden, Mazi Smith, Tyler Davis could all be available at the top of the 3rd round.

                      I definitely agree on 2 O Lineman in this draft and this draft is strong on the interior. I would throw some money at a FA RT and possibly a C like Ethan Pocic and draft 2 interior o lineman in the 1st 3 rounds. Guys like Jarret Patterson, Luke Wypler, Ricky Stromberg, Steve Avila.

                      I highly doubt we actually use that 1st round pick, it will most likely be a trade down to the 2nd and pick up extra picks unless they get a 2nd out of Dremont.
                      Last edited by Allen_C; 12-11-2022, 09:37 AM.

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                      • #12
                        I think $15M a year would be a bargain for Dre'Mont based on what the market would bear. John Franklin-Myers got $15M a year. Several other players of similar style/production are in that range. Jones' agent would fart in the phone and hang up if Paton even low-balled him at $10M a year. There have been reports that Jones' "asking" price is $20M a year. I definitely wouldn't do that if that's the case. If it's comparable to Javon Hargrave's contract, I think that's OK.

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                        • #13
                          DreMont doesn’t want to stay on a trainwreck for the next 4 years.



                          would not surprise me if he goes to another team for less money if denver offers more



                          the rest of the list? Not one player I’d take other than singleton at a cheaper rate. They all JAGs or worse.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                            Dre'Mont Jones is going to get a contract that's easily $15M a year annually. He will command a good market.

                            I'd keep all the ERFA/RFA guys as cheap depth besides the ones that truly are doo doo, but I don't care about anyone else.

                            Agree with most of the cuts too. If I were Denver, I'd be as cheap as Hell this off-season and roll over as much as you can to absorb getting rid of Wilson with a '24 post-June first designation after next year.

                            Might as well field a team of relegates next year. Tank for a Top 3 pick and suck. Just be horrible all together. Start rebuilding. Then you can get rid of Sutton, Patrick, Bolles, and a few other turds after next season.

                            Only about ten players that are solid NFL players on this roster. Everyone else is crapola!


                            this is a way to get out of this hellhole. 2024 is the year and it will be without Paton. If it happens this way Paton cannot survive a 2023 3-14 type season. So I doubt they go this route even though it’s the right way because Paton will try to save his own ass by spending and bringing in more Gregory’s.

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                            • #15
                              Should the Broncos tank for Williams in 2024 draft?

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                                this is a way to get out of this hellhole. 2024 is the year and it will be without Paton. If it happens this way Paton cannot survive a 2023 3-14 type season. So I doubt they go this route even though it’s the right way because Paton will try to save his own ass by spending and bringing in more Gregory’s.
                                I'd like to think that ownership already knows how much his Wilson extension has put the team behind the 8-Ball (and something they seemed fine with, which blows my mind) and that significant outside spending on other free agents should be limited. I don't see why they would want him to be incredibly aggressive and risk putting them at more of a significant salary cap disadvantage if they have any ambiguous feelings about him being around in '24 or beyond.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Requiem View Post

                                  I'd like to think that ownership already knows how much his Wilson extension has put the team behind the 8-Ball (and something they seemed fine with, which blows my mind) and that significant outside spending on other free agents should be limited. I don't see why they would want him to be incredibly aggressive and risk putting them at more of a significant salary cap disadvantage if they have any ambiguous feelings about him being around in '24 or beyond.
                                  They need a plan for sure. Before the Wilson cliff drop I figured they’d dip into FA because of no 1st or 2nd rounders for 2 years. Getting back one 1st helps. Now it’s just a mess. Priority im afraid will be finding ways to improve Wilson….instead of trying to move on. I don’t think Wilson is repairable at this point in his career. Dude is tapped out.
                                  Last edited by The1percentKid; 12-11-2022, 11:25 AM.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

                                    They need a plan for sure. Before the Wilson cliff drop I figured they’d dip into FA because of no 1st or 2nd rounders for 2 years. Getting back one 1st helps. Now it’s just a mess. Priority im afraid will be finding ways to improve Wilson….instead of trying to move on. I don’t think Wilson is repairable at this point in his career. Dude is tapped out.
                                    agree..Russ is fake.. he got his money and now he is happily doing tiktok videos with his family.

                                    Manning, Brady won't do this..

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                                    • #19
                                      This team is perfect for a tank. Keep everything in place. Let Dre'mont walk, get a comp pick in return next year.

                                      I would trade our 1st for something next year.

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                                      • #20
                                        I don’t know that anybody would want to come to Denver even Denver zone players after the 2022 season. However, this is the Walton/Penner group and they could afford to sign some fat signing bonuses so what they need to do is go out and get any and every free agent offensive lineman that they can get. However, I do not believe that Russ can rebound. Russ is just too darn short to be a pocket passer.

                                        Everybody wants to say that he can compare to Drew Brees but Drew Brees is what 2 inches taller than him anyway. Not only that Drew Brees ran around on his tippy toes.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                                          I think $15M a year would be a bargain for Dre'Mont based on what the market would bear. John Franklin-Myers got $15M a year. Several other players of similar style/production are in that range. Jones' agent would fart in the phone and hang up if Paton even low-balled him at $10M a year. There have been reports that Jones' "asking" price is $20M a year. I definitely wouldn't do that if that's the case. If it's comparable to Javon Hargrave's contract, I think that's OK.
                                          Hargrave is better than Dremont and should get more money. They are about equal vs the pass but Hargrave plays the run better and has more positional versatility so I don't feel like 10 million a year with a good signing bonus is low balling on Dremont. Hassan Reddick and Zadarius Smith got 15 million a year as premier pass rushing OLBs. 20million a year is just absurd, that's what Von Miller got from Buffalo. If he doesn't want the deal then tag and trade him for what you can get and draft his replacement with that pick.

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                                          • DD55
                                            DD55 commented
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                                            When is Wilkins a FA in Miami? He would be great to put on the side of Jones and DT seem to be paid a little less than edges.

                                        • #22
                                          Originally posted by qbronco View Post
                                          Should the Broncos tank for Williams in 2024 draft?
                                          That's just not a surefire strategy. A first round QB is still a 50/50 probability of "helping" the team. #1 pick doesn't necessarily sway those statistics. A "top 10" pick is generally good enough to take a shot at a game changer.

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                                          • #23
                                            Caleb is that type of player to tank for. i’m fact next year you may see the NFL move to a lottery style like the NBA
                                            after many teams just stop playing to try and secure that #1 pick.

                                            Wonder if Lovie wasn’t too disappointed when Driskell screwed up that 4th down attempt

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                                            • DD55
                                              DD55 commented
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                                              Tanking doesn't work in NFL like the NBA.

                                          • #24
                                            Originally posted by Allen_C View Post
                                            Hargrave is better than Dremont and should get more money. They are about equal vs the pass but Hargrave plays the run better and has more positional versatility so I don't feel like 10 million a year with a good signing bonus is low balling on Dremont. Hassan Reddick and Zadarius Smith got 15 million a year as premier pass rushing OLBs. 20million a year is just absurd, that's what Von Miller got from Buffalo. If he doesn't want the deal then tag and trade him for what you can get and draft his replacement with that pick.
                                            Market increases every year and a lot of "average" players get paid more than $10M a year for what Jones does.

                                            I brought up Hargrave because I think they have similarities in both play-style and production. Jones' advantage is being four-years younger, but I'd expect them to get similar deals Hargrave's last one was 3 @ $39M. Even at 30 years old now, he's playing some of the best football of his career. I have no doubts he and Dre'Mont will get above that lpast contract in AAV.

                                            I agree—$20M is outrageous—and I'd venture to guess the "truth" (of his contract value) is somewhere in the middle. That's why I brought up $15M as what his likely value would be. I think the tag for him (pending classification) is a little bit over $17M.

                                            If he isn't interested in a long-term deal in Denver, I'd definitely go the tag-and-trade route as you suggested. But I'm not sure what kind of pick the Broncos would get for him in that scenario. Could just have him play under the tag and then hope you could get a COMP pick for him when he eventually signs elsewhere.

                                            I'm not going to read too much into his comments, but he strikes me as a guy who actually wants to win. Not sure he wants to stick around here knowing a better team would pay him anyways.

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                                            • #25
                                              Let's not forget the FA market for next year.

                                              Tracking the status and signings of all 2023 NFL free agents.


                                              Some decent talent on O Line. But do we try and make a run at any of those guys and let Dre'Mont walk? Lots of talent out there if the FO can stomach cutting this roster the way they should. McManus needs a swift kick in the sack on the way out of town with his extremely poor performance this year. You can argue that Corliss is a terrible holder, but McManus doesnt seem like he even cares anymore. Strip this thing down and plug in some pieces.

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