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  • Vic Fangio offseason scenarios.

    We had to move the last thread discussion this to the Toilet (I'm open for a better name for that - just not the butt). But it wasn't a bad topic.

    As I see it, there are three scenarios with Fangio this offseason. Maybe I'll add a poll:

    1) Fangio and most (if not all) of the entire staff is fired;

    2) Fangio and most (if not all) of the entire staff is retained; and

    3) Fangio is retained, but with conditions.

    I have gone almost the entire season, up until Sunday, assuming Fangio's firing was a fait accompli. Now, I'm not so sure.

    What scenarios right now get him fired? Or, more appropriately, what scenarios get him retained? If he goes 3-3 down the stretch, is that enough for another year? Are we really going to fire a popular coach (around the league) that overcame a bunch of injuries for a winning record?

    I would prefer he goes, unless we make a deep playoff run (which we're not doing). But if he stays and, say, is forced to cede complete authority on the offense to a new OC, and get rid of McMahon on ST, would that be acceptable?
    30
    Fangio and most (if not all) of the entire staff is fired;
    70.00%
    21
    Fangio and most (if not all) of the entire staff is retained;
    3.33%
    1
    Fangio is retained, but with conditions;
    16.67%
    5
    Something else (explain in comments).
    10.00%
    3

  • #2
    I thought it was a good topic. It’s on radio programs. As a Broncos fan, I’m admittedly torn. My brain tells me we end up in no man’s land. NFL purgatory at .500 or so.My heart hopes we beat the Chiefs and make a run. I know I’ll be all heart through the game. I’m glad we are playing a relevant game. If we get embarrassed, I’m sure Broncos country will go pitch forks & torches.

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    • #3
      He’s gonna have to strings some victories together….that’s pretty obvious

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      • #4
        Originally posted by B-Large View Post
        He’s gonna have to strings some victories together….that’s pretty obvious
        A win against the Chiefs is technically a "win-loss" because a Broncos victory means Vic Fangio is one step closer to securing another year in Denver. Crazy!

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        • #5
          Frankly, it is a stretch to assume a victory in KC. OTOH, the team seems fired up. It is unfortunate, but I just don't think Teddy can do it. He'll need more than sink and dunk. Shumur may not be up to the task. So, I hope they can get a shot at it, but I try to remain realistic.


          All this means one more nail in the coffin for Fangio. I think he and several others are gone.

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          • #6
            John Fox got fired after taking this franchise to a Super Bowl.

            Why wouldn't Fangio get canned even if we make the playoffs?

            Seems to me the logic behind it would be the same.

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            • #7
              The Broncos drop 50 on the Chiefs at Arrowhead and Vic earns himself a lifetime contract as far as I'm concerned!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by winstoncup bronco View Post
                John Fox got fired after taking this franchise to a Super Bowl.

                Why wouldn't Fangio get canned even if we make the playoffs?

                Seems to me the logic behind it would be the same.
                That's how it should be.

                I'd give Fangio major credit if this team found its way into the playoffs, but I'm not banking on him, Shurmur, and McMahon to be a Super Bowl winning staff any time soon. I think everyone can agree on that. A fourth-year isn't going to change anything.

                Time to start something new. The constant turnover of coaching sucks for a variety of reasons, but it's time to move on at year's end. I'd like to think Paton would like to field his own staff to forge a new vision.

                The Broncos potentially losing out on a handful of position coaches is the only bad part about letting the main guys go. Hopefully a few could be convinced to stick around. Azzanni, Parker, and Modkins have all done good work. Losing Munchak and Kollar in the trenches would be a tough loss too.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by B-Large View Post
                  He’s gonna have to strings some victories together….that’s pretty obvious
                  sounds familiar

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paladin View Post
                    Frankly, it is a stretch to assume a victory in KC. OTOH, the team seems fired up. It is unfortunate, but I just don't think Teddy can do it. He'll need more than sink and dunk. Shumur may not be up to the task. So, I hope they can get a shot at it, but I try to remain realistic.


                    All this means one more nail in the coffin for Fangio. I think he and several others are gone.
                    I’m hoping for a win. It’s okay to just be a Broncos fan in your heart. That said, I think we end up in no no man’s land. This league requires a franchise QB. We found Elway by trade, Peyton by free agency...what’s next?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by winstoncup bronco View Post
                      John Fox got fired after taking this franchise to a Super Bowl.

                      Why wouldn't Fangio get canned even if we make the playoffs?

                      Seems to me the logic behind it would be the same.
                      So many dynamics. Fix had Manning. Vic does not.

                      To be fair to him, playoffs is a fair bar. Remember, we are bring in ownership after the season. We need someone w leadership and final say.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Requiem View Post

                        A win against the Chiefs is technically a "win-loss" because a Broncos victory means Vic Fangio is one step closer to securing another year in Denver. Crazy!
                        It’s just screws our draft position…. The Chargers game ****ed us good too!

                        it’s a season is Win-losses!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

                          sounds familiar
                          😂

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                          • #14
                            Frankly, the toughest stretch of games (minus Detroit) remain. I will be surprised if the Broncos win more than 1 or 2 of the remaining games. It’s past time to send this coaching staff packing.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                              It’s just screws our draft position…. The Chargers game ****ed us good too!

                              it’s a season is Win-losses!
                              When you want a higher draft pick and Fangio fired but the Broncos win:

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                              • #16
                                It's just hard to wrap your head around the timing.

                                1) The ownership situation has to be resolved. It's hard to see Paton going after a coach until he gets a sign-off from whomever the 2022 (and beyond) owner ends up being. Combined with:

                                2) The offseason coaching carousel is going to start turning in the next few weeks, as we see early firings.

                                If the ownership situation takes awhile to get resolved - I mean, it is a $4 billion transaction - we can't afford to wait until March to address the coaching situation. Am I misreading the tea leaves to speculate that plays in Fangio's favor, as it pertains to getting another year at it?

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                                • #17
                                  A new owner doesn't have to be in place for a coaching change to be made.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                                    A new owner doesn't have to be in place for a coaching change to be made.
                                    You think? I wouldn't want to be in the position to make a choice like that, if I was George Paton. And if there were other similar offers on the table, I would think any good coach would seriously consider them, knowing that the owners behind those offers were on board.

                                    It's not necessarily a non-starter. But it's far from ideal.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

                                      You think? I wouldn't want to be in the position to make a choice like that, if I was George Paton. And if there were other similar offers on the table, I would think any good coach would seriously consider them, knowing that the owners behind those offers were on board.

                                      It's not necessarily a non-starter. But it's far from ideal.
                                      It's definitely not ideal. I just don't think it's a deal-breaker on such matters. Any future owner(s) should be cognizant of the fact that Paton's operating in a limited window. If the team shit the bed the rest of the season, it would be stupid for a future owner to fault him for trying to make a move to better the team. That's what they should expect a good GM to do. Not be complacent with mediocrity.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by DomCasual View Post
                                        It's just hard to wrap your head around the timing.

                                        1) The ownership situation has to be resolved. It's hard to see Paton going after a coach until he gets a sign-off from whomever the 2022 (and beyond) owner ends up being. Combined with:

                                        2) The offseason coaching carousel is going to start turning in the next few weeks, as we see early firings.

                                        If the ownership situation takes awhile to get resolved - I mean, it is a $4 billion transaction - we can't afford to wait until March to address the coaching situation. Am I misreading the tea leaves to speculate that plays in Fangio's favor, as it pertains to getting another year at it?
                                        No. I agree. So what would make the decision the hardest? 9-8, 10-7 or so barely missing playoffs. That’s likely. If we tanked and ended up less than .500 the firing looks probable.

                                        Ownership needs to get solved. Whoever that is will decide everything. Leadership.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by DomCasual View Post

                                          You think? I wouldn't want to be in the position to make a choice like that, if I was George Paton. And if there were other similar offers on the table, I would think any good coach would seriously consider them, knowing that the owners behind those offers were on board.

                                          It's not necessarily a non-starter. But it's far from ideal.
                                          Realistically, if the team is sold, how long will it take for new ownership to take control and start influencing decisions on the team makeup (roster/coaches)? I expect coaching decisions will be made far prior to that. This team will probably not be sold until the summer or longer.

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                                          • #22
                                            Teams can start interviewing guys for HC positions in four weeks. A coach doesn't have to be fired by then, a simple informal "you're being let go at year's end" is sufficient for a team to start that process. Not a chance in Hell the Broncos are sold by just after Christmas.

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                                            • #23
                                              The team has improved under him. Almost every personel group. He’s had bs qbs. He had no training camp in his second season. They’ve never quit on him like the Vj years. If you’re telling me the other options are some other lame coordinators with no record or a guy like Dan Quinn, I’m fine going with stability for a change. Nobody ever talks about the value of having the same systems in place and getting better at playing them. Maybe it isnt, but to me it looks like an upward trajectory.

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                                              • #24
                                                **** no to Fangio. He's horrible.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by Yerner_ View Post
                                                  The team has improved under him. Almost every personel group. He’s had bs qbs. He had no training camp in his second season. They’ve never quit on him like the Vj years. If you’re telling me the other options are some other lame coordinators with no record or a guy like Dan Quinn, I’m fine going with stability for a change. Nobody ever talks about the value of having the same systems in place and getting better at playing them. Maybe it isnt, but to me it looks like an upward trajectory.
                                                  LOL. They have had 2 good games this year. They had a cake schedule early on, and were destroyed by teams they should have been able to compete with.

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                                                  • Yerner
                                                    Yerner commented
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                                                    Lol? You’re a grown man using Lol?

                                                  • SGB
                                                    SGB commented
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                                                    Good comment. Useful. Do you disagree that this team had severely underperformed most of the season?
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