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  • Russel Wilson's CAP HITS FROM HELL explained

    I've seen it thrown around here alot lately about just cutting Russ....and most recently it's been thrown around that Dener could use a post June 1 cut in 2023 and be on the hook for 39 million in dead cap.

    LOL LOL LOL. That isn't wrong, but most of you STILL aren't grasping the absolute DEATH GRIP Wilsons contract has on your cap.

    If the Broncos did want to cut Russ post June 1 2023, the dead cap hit for him in 2023 is in fact 39 million, BUT...........that isn't the end of it. You also incur a whopping 2024 dead cap hit of 68 MILLION dollars!

    You can't cut him. That cap hit would mean you'd be nearly unable to even field a roster. You presently have 26 players under contract for 2024 with 87 million in cap space. You have to fill out your roster of 53 on 19 million bucks. GOOD LUCK.

    Allow me to break it down over time and you'll see that you are F*CK*D

    In 2024, a pre June 1 cut would be 85 million all on 2024 cap. Impossible to do.

    In 2024 a post June 1 cut would be nearly 36 million in 2024 and nearly 50 million in 2025. Virtually impossible.

    2025 is when it becomes plausible to part ways.

    In 2025 a pre June 1 cut would be nearly 50 million, but would actually save about 6 million in cap space.

    In 2025 a post June 1 cut would be 18.4 Million for 2025 and 31.2 million in 2026. This saves 37 million in 2025 cap space. Doable, but crappy as hell.

    In 2026 a pre June 1 cut would be a dead cap hit of 31.2 Million with a cap savings of 27.2 Million,

    In 2026 a post June 1 cut would be a dead cap of 18.4 Million in 2026 and 12.4 Million dead cap hit in 2027 but saves 40 million on the 2026 Cap.

    27, and 28 the Numbers become palatable.

    I can't stress this enough as you guys keep tyring to do the mental gymnastics of getting out of this mess....Russ is a Bronco through the 2024 SEASON MINIMUM. You aren't getting rid of him, you could try drafting a cheap guy around him, but his contract completely NEGATES the advantage of a cheap rookie deal...if that rookie performs. You are stuck with him so the plan for the rest of this season and the NEXT TWO are going to be all about trying to fix Russ.

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    • #3
      Denver owes Russ $165 M guaranteed
      over 7 years

      break it up any way you want



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      • #4
        Originally posted by ceh View Post
        Denver owes Russ $165 M guaranteed
        over 7 years

        break it up any way you want


        You can’t if you move on. You can spread that guarantees out over the 7 years as long as he’s on the roster. Once cut you can only spread what’s not been accounted for over the current year or current year and next depending on if pre June 1 or post June 1 cut.

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        • #5
          Make him a backup QB and draft a QB if he continues to play like this next year also(With new coach and GM).
          Anyone saying Paton is a good GM need to check their brain. He screwed the franchise. Wish he was still in Minnesota.

          Biggest mistake by Elway is hiring Paton as the GM.

          Why Paton has made this so hard?...We can't even cut Wilson. Not sure whose idea it is.

          Elway made lot of mistakes after SB50. He never created this much mess.
          Last edited by go_broncos; 11-28-2022, 07:09 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Zerovoltz View Post

            You can’t if you move on. You can spread that guarantees out over the 7 years as long as he’s on the roster. Once cut you can only spread what’s not been accounted for over the current year or current year and next depending on if pre June 1 or post June 1 cut.
            it’s called dead money
            paying for someone not on the roster

            go into over the cap and cut him this year after june 1st

            the salary cap hits are spread over 2 years

            the dead money is spread out over 7 years all $165M

            The dead money associated with cutting Wilson would be the total amount of money the Broncos had paid him over the course of his contract, plus the remaining money he was guaranteed, minus the total cap hit Denver had taken for Wilson over the course of his contract.

            wilson is owed $165M guaranteed

            all that money has to hit the cap at some point.




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            • #7
              Make RW3&OUT restructure or call the Clintons or J Edgar Hoover in…they’ll take care of the issue for less 😂

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              • #8
                I’ve explained this at least a dozen times in various threads over the last several weeks. He’s almost certainly a Bronco through the 2025 season. Three more seasons after this. The only option is to run an offense similar to what they ran when he was in Seattle. If that doesn’t work then they’re f***ed. Maybe get a QB after next season and have the most expensive backup QB in history for a couple of years. But it will be next to impossible to build a good enough roster when the guy who’s taking up the biggest chunk of your cap isn’t playing.

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                • #9
                  Wilson is done. Hackett is one of the worst coaches but i'm not sure even a Sean Payton can fix Wilson. He is a shell of his former self and we paid him as if he is in the prime of his career.
                  Welcome to purgatory Broncos fans! This has been the most disappointing season I have ever seen!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ColoradoBuff View Post
                    Wilson is done. Hackett is one of the worst coaches but i'm not sure even a Sean Payton can fix Wilson. He is a shell of his former self and we paid him as if he is in the prime of his career.
                    Welcome to purgatory Broncos fans! This has been the most disappointing season I have ever seen!
                    When the deal was made, I thought why bring in a guy with 10 years wear and tear in NFL, whose best skill may have been his wheels? I'm a casual fan, I thought maybe he was a better pocket passer than I recall/ knowledge of. I figured with Javonte, this might resemble an offense we saw under Shanny.

                    If you keep him, you better find someone who can get the most of his remaining skill set.

                    If were in charge, I'd find the biggest human beings ever born to play o-line, and run and screen teams to death. That might open up a deep shot, which seems to be Wilson's one throw he wants to attempt. Play defense, slow games WAY down, play field position, try to eek out some close wins.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mozzafiato View Post
                      I’ve explained this at least a dozen times in various threads over the last several weeks. He’s almost certainly a Bronco through the 2025 season. Three more seasons after this. The only option is to run an offense similar to what they ran when he was in Seattle. If that doesn’t work then they’re f***ed. Maybe get a QB after next season and have the most expensive backup QB in history for a couple of years. But it will be next to impossible to build a good enough roster when the guy who’s taking up the biggest chunk of your cap isn’t playing.
                      Who was his OC in Seattle when he didn't suck? Hire that guy!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                        Who was his OC in Seattle when he didn't suck? Hire that guy!
                        I think the problem was that RW had him fired!

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                        • #13
                          Signing a 34 year old QB to a 7 year contract had to be the dumbest decision in NFL history.

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                          • Drunk Monkey
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                            More of a 5 year commitment but your point stands.

                        • #14
                          Originally posted by LakewoodFan View Post

                          I think the problem was that RW had him fired!
                          you're kidding, right??

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Tangerine View Post
                            Signing a 34 year old QB to a 7 year contract had to be the dumbest decision in NFL history.
                            I mean guys are playing longer, but given his mobility was his strength, probably not the brightest gamble.

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                            • #16
                              Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                              Who was his OC in Seattle when he didn't suck? Hire that guy!
                              Bevell and then Schottenheimer. Waldron last year.

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                              • #17
                                Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                                you're kidding, right??
                                Not completely kidding. Wilson didn't like the offense the Seahawks were running and complained bitterly about it, and so first Bevell was fired, then Shottenheimer was fired. The assumption is that the Seahawks did it to keep Wilson happy.

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                                • #18
                                  Originally posted by LakewoodFan View Post

                                  Not completely kidding. Wilson didn't like the offense the Seahawks were running and complained bitterly about it, and so first Bevell was fired, then Shottenheimer was fired. The assumption is that the Seahawks did it to keep Wilson happy.
                                  Allbright says this speculation (like much about Russ) was BS. At least with Shottenheimer.

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                                  • #19
                                    Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                                    When the deal was made, I thought why bring in a guy with 10 years wear and tear in NFL, whose best skill may have been his wheels? I'm a casual fan, I thought maybe he was a better pocket passer than I recall/ knowledge of. I figured with Javonte, this might resemble an offense we saw under Shanny.

                                    If you keep him, you better find someone who can get the most of his remaining skill set.

                                    If were in charge, I'd find the biggest human beings ever born to play o-line, and run and screen teams to death. That might open up a deep shot, which seems to be Wilson's one throw he wants to attempt. Play defense, slow games WAY down, play field position, try to eek out some close wins.
                                    Yes and no. He wasn’t really a wheels guy like Vick or Lamar Jackson or even Hurts. He was always more of a move around, make some off script plays, always a threat to scramble kind of guy. He’s always been bad at making plays over the middle, but he’s always been very accurate and very clutch. Yes, his play declined some over the last couple years but he was still pretty good. Good article that touches on this linked below.

                                    There is nothing fluky about how Geno Smith and Russell Wilson have started the 2022 NFL season. Smith ranks in the top five in most major statistical categories. Meanwhile, Wilson can’t even sniff the top half of the league in those same categories. So, what is going on in Denver and Seattle?

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                                      • #21
                                        I've always thought he sucked

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                                        • #22
                                          Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                                          Allbright says this speculation (like much about Russ) was BS. At least with Shottenheimer.
                                          Plenty of respectable media outlets have reported that Wilson was the reason his offensive coordinators, including Schottenheimer, were fired:

                                          NY Post: "Russell Wilson reportedly pushed for Seahawks to axe Brian Schottenheimer," https://nypost.com/2022/06/22/russel...chottenheimer/

                                          Sports Illustrated: "Russell Wilson pushed hard for staff change after 2020," https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/06/21/ru...-split-broncos

                                          Wilson, of course, denied it:

                                          The Seahawks fired offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer on Tuesday. Russell Wilson made clear Thursday he’s just the quarterback and would have preferred Schottenheimer’s return.“I get paid a decent amount but coach [Pete Carroll] makes those decisions,” Wilson said, via Gregg Bell of The News Tribune.Wilson answered “no” twice when asked if he was in favor [more]


                                          Whether or not it's true, my point is that there will be plenty of coaches who will think twice about coming to Denver, given the rumors about Wilson's antagonism toward being coached.

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                                          • #23
                                            Originally posted by Tangerine View Post
                                            After paying that much to Mr.Unlimited, owners will not cut him.

                                            They will hire an experienced coach and see if he can be fixed.

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                                            • #24
                                              Originally posted by Tangerine View Post
                                              But Zero says it isn't possible.

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                                              • #25
                                                Originally posted by DD55 View Post

                                                But Zero says it isn't possible.
                                                Anything is possible, the Eagles got out of the horrible Wentz contract and bounced back quick. It just doesn’t make much sense, as the overall number on the cap would be negative, they’re better off keeping him, even as a backup.

                                                With what they gave up for him though, they need to try to make it work at least for next year. Bring in a coach that can try to fix him, pray this year was just a fluke, and that he can bounce back to at least serviceable.

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