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  • Injury Report: C Lloyd Cushenberry III to miss 'a couple weeks' with a groin strain

    ''Starting Broncos center Lloyd Cushenberry III will miss "a couple weeks" as he recovers from a groin injury he suffered during Denver's win over the Jaguars, Head Coach Nathaniel Hackett said Tuesday...


  • #2
    I never choose to wish an injury on anyone, but I HOPE the Broncos organization hands this job to Glascow for the rest of the year. The upgrade was amazingly clear during the Jacksonville game.

    Glascow will still get curb stomped in the run game (uh-oh vs the Titans), but he was an instant upgrade in the pass game against the things LCIII has been struggling with since he got here. IMO - we need to lean into our strengths now. Buy Russ another second to see the developing routes (which he's obviously having trouble with) and this becomes a winning football team.

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    • #3
      Fire them all

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cmhargrove View Post
        I never choose to wish an injury on anyone, but I HOPE the Broncos organization hands this job to Glascow for the rest of the year. The upgrade was amazingly clear during the Jacksonville game.

        Glascow will still get curb stomped in the run game (uh-oh vs the Titans), but he was an instant upgrade in the pass game against the things LCIII has been struggling with since he got here. IMO - we need to lean into our strengths now. Buy Russ another second to see the developing routes (which he's obviously having trouble with) and this becomes a winning football team.
        Yup, he's a good guy who doesn't deserve bad things, but this is addition by subtraction.

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        • BowlenBall
          BowlenBall commented
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          I've been a Cushenberry apologist for three years, but even I've got to admit -- bad things were happening on the Risner / Cushenberry side of the line, and they improved the moment Glasgow went in.

      • #5
        Originally posted by PRBronco View Post

        Yup, he's a good guy who doesn't deserve bad things, but this is addition by subtraction.
        So he was an instant starter along with Reisner . Did Munchak Damage these players ? He was supposed to be a master mind. However both of these guys seem great right out of the gate and then went no where.

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        • Old Dude
          Old Dude commented
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          Risner started fast, but Cushenberry was absolutely horrible out of the gate. Many of us made allowance for the fact that Cushenberry didn't really have the benefit of a rookie preseason and he did seem to improve from "horrible" to merely "far below average" by the end of that season. But his progression since then has been very slow and slight. This was his make-or-break year, and it hasn't been good. Lacking draft picks, we need to address this spot with FA next year.

        • Shalowlow
          Shalowlow commented
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          When cush was drafted, some buzz kills said he didn't have the strength to handle NFL DTs. Buzz kills were right.

      • #6
        Originally posted by quoydogs View Post

        So he was an instant starter along with Reisner . Did Munchak Damage these players ? He was supposed to be a master mind. However both of these guys seem great right out of the gate and then went no where.
        Honestly he's been exactly what he was billed as coming out of LSU. Smart, quick, no anchor strength to speak of.

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        • #7
          Glascow will take the starting C job for the rest of the year. Next year Wattenberg starts. Cush will be practicing guard reps when he returns to practice.
          Last edited by uplink; 11-03-2022, 12:10 PM.

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          • #8
            Originally posted by uplink View Post
            Glascow will take the starting C job for the rest of the year. Next year Wattenberg starts. Cush will be practicing guard reps when he returns to practice.
            I agree with your first couple statements and pray the team makes those decisions.

            I have no idea why you think Cush could play Guard with no anchor strength. Compton would be 10x the Guard Cush is, and would probably boost our run game over Risner immediately. Hell, I'd take Muti and his brain farts over Cush at Guard, at least Muti will destroy anything in his path.

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            • #9
              One of the rare times where an injury is a blessing in disguise.

              cush sucks

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              • #10
                Lloyd had a few promising games this year, but still has terrible functional strength at the POA. Revolving door at guard positions haven't help him at all (continuity working as a tandem) but he clearly isn't the answer. Back-up OC only. Wouldn't bank on Wattenberg being a long-term answer or worth starting next year either. His strength is piss poor too, but he has better movement skills than Cushenberry. DEN needs to draft OT and G/C in the draft for certain.

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                • #11
                  Cushberry needs to be in an outside zone. Which is what Hackett said our offense was going to be. We have not seen an outside zone offense this season. What we have seen is a shitty offense with shitty playcalling and no identity. We have Wilson in shotgun and defenses attacking us inside because they know there is no real diversity in a run game out of shotgun. DCs knoiw ther are only about 5 different runs out of shotgun.

                  They are just sending blitzers up the middle and getting quick pressure and Wilson doesnt have a chance. Lets get Wilson under centre and Dlines and LBs cant tee off because we can run 30 different run plays from under centre while also playing to a Wilson strength of chunk plays downfield off playaction. Cushberry and Risner cant hold up in this shitty pass happy shotgun offense.

                  Lets help the interior Oline and Wilson out with a legit outside zone run game from under center. We have seen in the last game what Wilson can do when he gets a solid pocket inside he makes big plays downfield. Wilson cant do anything with this quick pressure up the middle, no QBs can. Hackett needs to get his shit together.

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                  • BowlenBall
                    BowlenBall commented
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                    Very insightful post -- you're right, the shotgun is neutralizing the run game, and playing to Risner and Cushenberry's worst strengths. Get under center, run a true outside zone, run more bootlegs and rollouts, for ****'s sake! Hackett's play designs are killing us so far this year.

                  • cousinal11
                    cousinal11 commented
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                    Finally, some insight of 1st half of season.

                  • Shalowlow
                    Shalowlow commented
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                    But what if Wilson won't go under center? That's a big possibility of what's happening here.

                • #12
                  Originally posted by cmhargrove View Post

                  I agree with your first couple statements and pray the team makes those decisions.

                  I have no idea why you think Cush could play Guard with no anchor strength. Compton would be 10x the Guard Cush is, and would probably boost our run game over Risner immediately. Hell, I'd take Muti and his brain farts over Cush at Guard, at least Muti will destroy anything in his path.
                  Backup interior lineman have to be able to play guard. I said he would get some practice reps. for the 1st time as he moves into more of a backup role.
                  Last edited by uplink; 11-03-2022, 05:08 PM.

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                  • #13
                    Should've brought in the Giants' sideline groin guy.

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by uplink View Post
                      Glascow will take the starting C job for the rest of the year. Next year Wattenberg starts. Cush will be practicing guard reps when he returns to practice.
                      Flashback to Dan Neil running around playing guard at like 265 lbs.

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                      • #15
                        Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                        Wouldn't bank on Wattenberg being a long-term answer or worth starting next year either. His strength is piss poor too...
                        Respectfully disagree -- Wattenberg started 48 games for a power 5 school and has excellent measurables for an interior offensive lineman (9.58 relative athletic score, 34 inch arms). He needs a little more sand in his pants, but I think he might surprise, eventually.

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                        • #16
                          Originally posted by PRBronco View Post

                          Flashback to Dan Neil running around playing guard at like 265 lbs.
                          Dude was downright svelte....

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                          • #17
                            Originally posted by BowlenBall View Post
                            Respectfully disagree -- Wattenberg started 48 games for a power 5 school and has excellent measurables for an interior offensive lineman (9.58 relative athletic score, 34 inch arms). He needs a little more sand in his pants, but I think he might surprise, eventually.
                            Athleticism and experience is there for sure. If he can make a jump that would be awesome. Lots of time between now and then to figure out what scheme they are actually going to roll with and if Butch Barry is sticking around. I hope DEN ends up taking at least two OL.

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                            • #18
                              Originally posted by Requiem View Post

                              I hope DEN ends up taking at least two OL.
                              Oh yeah -- right tackle in the first round, interior offensive line in the third. No question about that, we've suffered long enough.

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                              • #19
                                Risner is going to leave in free agency and another team going to get a good right tackle out of him. He has been at guard so long and is under performing, broncos should have already made the switch. He can be a good player at RT I think.

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                                • #20
                                  Originally posted by champhalloffamer View Post
                                  Cushberry needs to be in an outside zone. Which is what Hackett said our offense was going to be. We have not seen an outside zone offense this season. What we have seen is a shitty offense with shitty playcalling and no identity. We have Wilson in shotgun and defenses attacking us inside because they know there is no real diversity in a run game out of shotgun. DCs knoiw ther are only about 5 different runs out of shotgun.

                                  They are just sending blitzers up the middle and getting quick pressure and Wilson doesnt have a chance. Lets get Wilson under centre and Dlines and LBs cant tee off because we can run 30 different run plays from under centre while also playing to a Wilson strength of chunk plays downfield off playaction. Cushberry and Risner cant hold up in this shitty pass happy shotgun offense.

                                  Lets help the interior Oline and Wilson out with a legit outside zone run game from under center. We have seen in the last game what Wilson can do when he gets a solid pocket inside he makes big plays downfield. Wilson cant do anything with this quick pressure up the middle, no QBs can. Hackett needs to get his shit together.
                                  Really good post, thank you. Just wondering if there are stats available for how often we are in shotgun vs behind center, AND what is the effectiveness of each? Don’t know where to find that. If someone knows, please post.

                                  I would like to think that the coaching staff is self scouting this stuff during the bye, but I have learned not to go out on a limb on some of these guys.

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                                  • #21
                                    I hope Denver talk that "a couple of weeks" means 6 to 8 weeks.

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                                    • #22
                                      Originally posted by uplink View Post
                                      Risner is going to leave in free agency and another team going to get a good right tackle out of him. He has been at guard so long and is under performing, broncos should have already made the switch. He can be a good player at RT I think.
                                      I'm going to disagree a bit here.

                                      When I watch Risner, I see a guy that does one thing well (currently) - he can get moving and deliver downfield blocks in a zone scheme.
                                      He is getting routinely beat in pass pro because he isn't moving this feet and resetting. He has decided that instead of staying in someones way (which is his job), he will just stay in place, spin his feet, and let them move gradually past him. He's not anchoring well, he doesn't keep his back low on run plays (loses power at the POA), and he isn't resetting his pass blocks very well. I'm not sure what messed him up, but he isn't doing technically well on many of the things he's being asked to do. I think we could do better with a cheaper alternative. Cam Fleming is going to age out, but is a better RT than Risner.

                                      If someone else wants him at RT, fine. I don't think he will be worth paying there unless he's hidden by a good QB - one that gets rid of the ball in 2.5 seconds or less. Compared to his peers, I see Risner as an "average" Guard, but would likely be a "below average" RT. He cant keep up his footwork against good DTs, and I see no reason for him to perform any better against speedy pass rushers.

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                                      • #23
                                        Risner just has a really shitty body. He keeps all his weight in his fat gut and it looks like it hinders him from bending and dropping his hips. Losing weight would help but it’s probably not possible as a nfl olineman to keep the power. Maybe a switch to right tackle might help but i dont see his lateral kick being fast enough either. Just dont think he’s athletically gifted enough to excel at this point.

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                                        • #24
                                          Love seeing Broncos fans amped up.

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                                          • #25
                                            Risner doesn't have the reach (arm length) to play RT. He also must have back problem because he reaches to much on blocks. I have couple of friends that were DIV I Oline (both decided to withdraw from attempting going NFL because of health issues, both were rated as round 2/3 prospects after playing in the Big 10) and they tell me that he doesn't look right when he pass protects.

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