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  • Fangio's "pride" is keeping Drew Lock on the Bench


    I still think he has a first class defensive mind, but Vic's attitude qand behavior border on adolescent.

    He grudges and gets grumpy all the time ... great article, says lotsa what I've been thinking:


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    Fangio's Pride is the Only Thing That's Preventing Drew Lock's Return to the Starting Lineup

    Originally posted on FanNation Mile High Huddle
    By Chad Jensen | Last updated 11/20/21

    The Teddy Bridgewater experiment has failed. Enough already.

    The Denver Broncos sit at 5-5 after the Bye Week, still having every chance to turn the ship around and vie for a playoff spot down the stretch. However, if this team continues to do what it's always done, it'll continue to get what it's always gotten — with Bridgewater, with special teams coordinator Tom McMahon, with... well, you catch my drift.

    Let's not pretend that head coach Vic Fangio is without potential solutions to the problems currently vexing the Broncos. At the quarterback position, particularly, Drew Lock waits in the wings and could be exactly the spark this team needs to win 4-to-5 of its remaining seven games, five of which are AFC West battles.

    It's not as if empirical data is lacking on the subject. In his first year as head coach, Fangio sat on the decision to play lock for more than a quarter of the season, stubbornly holding to his 'plan A', which was Joe Flacco.

    Even though Lock had healed up from his sprained thumb by about Week 5, Fangio clung to Flacco as the Broncos' season was torpedoed. Even after Flacco was placed on injured reserve (with sudden, mysterious neck injury) — a roster move that came only after the veteran signal-caller called out the coaching staff following an ugly road loss to the Indianapolis Colts — Fangio kept Lock on ice, rolling with a completely unproven stop-gap QB in Brandon Allen from Week 9 through Week 12.


    Allen managed to win just one of those games (Week 9 at home vs. Cleveland) while presiding over one of the Broncos' most notorious collapses in recent memory which saw the Minnesota Vikings overcome a 0-20 half-time deficit to win. That Week 12 loss to the Vikings was the straw that finally broke the back of Fangio's reticence with Lock.

    Sitting with a 3-8 record entering Week 13, Fangio finally pulled the trigger as Lock went from injured reserve to the starting lineup in the matter of a 24-hour period. What ensued from there?

    Lock defeated the Chargers, blew out the eventual AFC South-champion Houston Texans in Week 14, lost to the Kansas City Chiefs in a blizzardous road game, and finished off the season by handling the Detroit Lions and the then-Oakland Raiders. Along the way, Lock looked very much like a rookie quarterback with enormous upside, displaying flashes of brilliance — becoming the first QB ever to pass for 300-plus yards and three touchdowns in his first road start — and face-palming inconsistencies.

    All told, playing Lock — while it came too late in the year to save Denver's season — absolutely staved off what was sure to be a frighteningly poor Year 1 for Fangio, giving him a semi-respectable 7-9 record. It also allowed the Broncos to enter the 2020 offseason with a sense of optimism and momentum.

    Alas, perhaps due in large part to the firing of 2019 offensive coordinator Rich Scangarello — whom, for whatever he lacked as a tactical play-caller, he more than made up for as a teacher and QB developer — the Broncos were unable to capitalize on the momentum Lock provided in 2020. Obviously, the pandemic and how it affected the NFL, played the most pivotal role in what became yet another wasted season in Year 2 of the Fangio regime.

    Lock's second year wasn't terrible but it certainly wasn't the type of sure-fire season that gave the Broncos the perfect confidence they had 'The Guy' long term. Then, John Elway relinquished his duties as GM and the Broncos hired George Paton to take over.

    One of the first things Paton did upon arriving in the Mile High City was pay lip service to Lock, talking about how he had "all the tools you look for" before promptly executing a trade on the doorstep of the NFL draft that brought Bridgewater to Denver. From there, inexplicably, the trope emanating from Dove Valley was that Teddy and Lock would compete in a "50/50" battle for the starting quarterback job.


    ( Much more at link... )

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  • #2
    we knew Lock was a raw project with upside- so we give him one year then take a shit on him?

    That's the current Broncos organization for you...sad!

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    • #3
      ....are you all just taking this guys statement that Rich Scangarelo was a great QB developer? WTF?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Zerovoltz View Post
        ....are you all just taking this guys statement that Rich Scangarelo was a great QB developer? WTF?
        No he was not.

        Kubiak was though .....

        *SIGH* ... 🤕

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        • #5
          "What is best for the Broncos is what I want so I'm going to write an overly dramatic article about it."

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          • #6
            Is it too late to say yes to Kubiac for offensive coordinator and let him bring along Rich Dennison? That seems like a bad choice by Elway in hindsight.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by uplink View Post
              Is it too late to say yes to Kubiac for offensive coordinator and let him bring along Rich Dennison? That seems like a bad choice by Elway in hindsight.
              Oh hell ****ing NO!

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              • #8
                Lock threw too many intercepts for Fangio. Vic would rather have the offense go three and out 5/6ths of the game and try and win it with defense.

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                • #9

                  maybe some fans should realize lock isn’t that good, and teddy shows more control over the playbook and practices better during the week.

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                  • #10
                    TBW and Lock both suck. 6 seasons and counting of quarterback ineptitude. When will it end?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by elsid13 View Post

                      maybe some fans should realize lock isn’t that good, and teddy shows more control over the playbook and practices better during the week.
                      maybe you should realize you are a ****ing idiot

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                      • #12
                        There's no need to go to personal insults -- let's please be civil. (we can disagree without resorting to namecalling).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TeddyTwoFloaters View Post

                          maybe you should realize you are a ****ing idiot
                          You are saying this? 🤣

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gunns View Post

                            You are saying this? 🤣
                            Lock went more vertical in one play today than Teddy has the entire season. the PI to Sutton. That would be the offense under Drew. Not 2 yard overthrows on 3rd and 18.

                            I guess you think Chargers should bench Herbert?

                            Last edited by Blueflame; 11-28-2021, 11:11 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Lock threw an INT and fumbled in a handful of plays today. Great job, Drew!

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                              • #16
                                I still think Broncos should have started Lock at the beginning of the season and benched him if he didn't show enough improvement from last year. Broncos are not winning games because of Teddy. Would have been easy to switch to Teddy 4-5 games in.

                                Judging Lock based off a few plays in backup role hardly tells us anything. The int was completely stupid, but Herbert had his share of those plays today too.

                                Either way, Broncos need a new HC and QB for 2022. Will be interesting to see what Paton does.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by SGB View Post
                                  I still think Broncos should have started Lock at the beginning of the season and benched him if he didn't show enough improvement from last year. Broncos are not winning games because of Teddy. Would have been easy to switch to Teddy 4-5 games in.

                                  Judging Lock based off a few plays in backup role hardly tells us anything. The int was completely stupid, but Herbert had his share of those plays today too.

                                  Either way, Broncos need a new HC and QB for 2022. Will be interesting to see what Paton does.
                                  Lock also had a fumble on 3rd down recovered for a first down.

                                  if lock would throw 4 TDs you could live with 2 turnovers but sadly that is not the case

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by ceh View Post

                                    Lock also had a fumble on 3rd down recovered for a first down.

                                    if lock would throw 4 TDs you could live with 2 turnovers but sadly that is not the case
                                    He was the backup playing without practice and with 3 backup OL in. I would have liked to see what he did with a full offseason as the starter and the coaches behind him, not just waiting for him to mess up and pull him every chance they can.

                                    I know what Teddy has done as the starter for 11 games and I'm underwhelmed. I would have liked to see Lock actually given the keys to see how he progressed with this early season schedule. He had 2 great throws today. 1 was a PI and another Patrick got pushed out of bounds.

                                    To be fair, Teddy had 2 great throws of his own, but he was lucky he didn't have a fumble himself. The rest of the offense was just Williams and Gordon.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by SGB View Post

                                      He was the backup playing without practice and with 3 backup OL in. I would have liked to see what he did with a full offseason as the starter and the coaches behind him, not just waiting for him to mess up and pull him every chance they can.

                                      I know what Teddy has done as the starter for 11 games and I'm underwhelmed. I would have liked to see Lock actually given the keys to see how he progressed with this early season schedule. He had 2 great throws today. 1 was a PI and another Patrick got pushed out of bounds.

                                      To be fair, Teddy had 2 great throws of his own, but he was lucky he didn't have a fumble himself. The rest of the offense was just Williams and Gordon.
                                      that INT was inexcusable no matter how much practice you had

                                      zero game situational awareness not understanding the chargers get the ball to start the 2nd half . stupidest throw i’m seen in a long while from a broncos qb.

                                      had he just thrown it into the ground and punted maybe just maybe he would have started the 2nd half.

                                      a lot of this is directly on a Lock. covid stuff and all





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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by ceh View Post

                                        that INT was inexcusable no matter how much practice you had

                                        zero game situational awareness not understanding the chargers get the ball to start the 2nd half . stupidest throw i’m seen in a long while from a broncos qb.

                                        had he just thrown it into the ground and punted maybe just maybe he would have started the 2nd half.

                                        a lot of this is directly on a Lock. covid stuff and all




                                        I still think it was the wrong decision. Judging him based on 2 possessions coming in as the backup for a coach that doesn't want him to play doesn't change that opinion for me.

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                                        • #21
                                          Lock hasn’t shown any potential for improvement, his mechanics, accuracy, ball placement, reads, and locking on to receivers might never improve. It’s simply time to move on.

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                                          • #22
                                            You had to laugh at that interception. Pretty much closed the case for the coaches and front office. Drew Lock will have to make himself a career elsewhere.

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by Moneyball View Post
                                              Lock hasn’t shown any potential for improvement, his mechanics, accuracy, ball placement, reads, and locking on to receivers might never improve. It’s simply time to move on.
                                              You know that based off going to practices or something? He looked good with the first team in preseason.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by Yerner_ View Post
                                                You had to laugh at that interception. Pretty much closed the case for the coaches and front office. Drew Lock will have to make himself a career elsewhere.
                                                He’s not even a good backup.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Drew lock single handedly opened up the running game as soon as he came in. D was threatened and didnt stack box like they did with teddy. Which lead to huge gains by Gordon and Williams. He made a stupid mistake on that int, but also threw a deep ball to sutton that teddy has yet to throw all season long.

                                                  Drew is still a better qb, better player, and the better option. But not with these coaches who hate him and trash fanbase that trashes him.

                                                  Going to enjoy booing the next qb they draft for the same mistake drew made today.

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