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  • Don't Fire Paton

    This season has been harder to watch than McDaniel's second season, Wade's HC tenure or the year Brian Griese ruined TD's career. That said, the org overall is in much better position than it has been for the past 5 years.

    We have ownership with real dollars that want to put the best product on the field.

    We have a GM that's making great use of the draft. We'll have competitive depth over the next couple years if we stay the course.

    We have a championship caliber defense in place.

    We have a SB winning QB that is absolutely capable of getting this team to the playoffs when the coaching staff uses him right and stops trying to kill him.

    We have the wrong coach/OC. It was a bad hire, and it's been evident since the waning 4th quarter seconds of the Seahawks game. This can be fixed without blowing up the team. It doesn't say much for this season, but I'm not worried about this team turning into the Browns.

    Firing Paton would be a huge mistake. We need continuity now. We need someone that can consistently get value out of the mid and later rounds. Yes he hired Hackett, but for all we know he was still bargain shopping due the cheapness of the previous regime. He didn't make this hire in a vacuum either. The entire org was onboard. He should get a second at bat.

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    Continuity gets you 10 straight years of sub 500 seasons.

    Paton was hired by the GM who was fired. That’s the pure definition of dysfunction…

    3 decisions would define Patons time here. Wilson Hackett and Wilson’s contract. All turn out to be failures…Paton hired Hackett to get Rodgers. That’s fact no matter how many times people say it’s not.

    new ownership has zero reasons to keep Paton. They didn’t hire him. That means there’s no present continuity…it’s continuity from the previous trash regime...

    the only way Paton would stay is if he admits the mistake of Hackett and fires him this season….giving him another year would surely be the end of Paton after 2023. Because another year of Hackett is sub 500….31 other HCs clearly above him. He’s so bad he wouldn’t get an OC job…

    Fire Hackett and Outten at the bye..Promote Kubiak to OC and Evero to interim…keeping Hackett just shows more incompetence. No one in the football world would question that because they all know hackett isn’t an HC in the first place.


    this continuity angle has been used for 7 years now. Moving on from mistakes >>>>> keeping them.



    If Paton stays and they hire a new HC, ownership will have a say this time on the HC. If Paton is fired ownership will hire a new GM they pick, and that person will hire the HC.

    Last edited by The1percentKid; 10-24-2022, 11:44 AM.

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    • #3
      Delusions of Grandeur from delusional homer…

      defense of Paton the architect of suck is indefensible…

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      • #4
        Finally a voice of reason and non-emotional analysis from the Mississippi mud walker!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BroncoJoe View Post
          Finally a voice of reason and non-emotional analysis from the Mississippi mud walker!
          “We have a SB winning QB that is absolutely capable of getting this team to the playoffs when the coaching staff uses him right and stops trying to kill him.”

          seems reasonable…lmao

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          • #6
            ”We have a GM that's making great use of the draft’”

            Seattle's draft?

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            • #7
              ”We have the wrong coach/OC. It was a bad hire, and it's been evident since the waning 4th quarter seconds of the Seahawks game“

              handpicked by Georgiano…

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              • #8
                I don’t have an issue with Paton per se, he went and got a starting caliber QB, which we desperately needed. I don’t know the details of how it unfolded, but he committed massive resources to Wilson before he even played a down… that really hurts but here we are.

                Offer the head coaching job to Evero, he’s done a fabulous job with the defense and no matter how the year unfolds, he’ll get a pass as an interim. Get someone in here to tailor a simpler offense to Wilson and the talent on hand. Get back to basics, I think 20 ppg would be a big improvement and certainly achieve able with the talent on hand.

                But Hackett’s gotta go. That will be the pressure relief valve for this season.

                but i don’t disagree with the thread premise


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wolf754life View Post

                  “We have a SB winning QB that is absolutely capable of getting this team to the playoffs when the coaching staff uses him right and stops trying to kill him.”

                  seems reasonable…lmao
                  Hahaha. That dude is the pure definition of homer.


                  he could coat the Titanic sinking with blind gibberish…




                  this roster is worse now than 2017-2020. The entire teams sans 3-4 players are JAGS. And now it’ll be 2 straight years without high draft picks…FAs will not come here unless they over pay at positions…


                  dumpster fire but let’s keep sinking for another few years!


                  There were people in this fanbase that wanted to keep McDaniels at GM because continuity.



                  Paton could change the tide….IF he admits his mistake and doesn’t keep Hackett for another year.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by B-Large View Post
                    I don’t have an issue with Paton per se, he went and got a starting caliber QB, which we desperately needed. I don’t know the details of how it unfolded, but he committed massive resources to Wilson before he even played a down… that really hurts but here we are.

                    Offer the head coaching job to Evero, he’s done a fabulous job with the defense and no matter how the year unfolds, he’ll get a pass as an interim. Get someone in here to tailor a simpler offense to Wilson and the talent on hand. Get back to basics, I think 20 ppg would be a big improvement and certainly achieve able with the talent on hand.

                    But Hackett’s gotta go. That will be the pressure relief valve for this season.

                    but i don’t disagree with the thread premise

                    Paton is the architect of suck…

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                    • #11
                      Paton and his committee and the private jet, took months…

                      HAC K hire is his total failure…

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                      • #12
                        You’ve got a defense that’s top 3 in pretty much every category, but an offense that is absolutely horrendous. With even an average offense, this is the easily the best defense in the league.

                        If the offense could average just 19 points a game, which is still below the NFL average, they’d have at least 5 wins right now.

                        Even that clown Shurmur and Teddy B averaged 21 points a game, with virtually the same offensive players.

                        The talent on offense was overhyped, and yes there’s injuries. But even with that, 19 points is not a Herculean task. Case in point, as bad as the Jets offense was yesterday, even they managed to poop out 16 points.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by B-Large View Post
                          I don’t have an issue with Paton per se, he went and got a starting caliber QB, which we desperately needed. I don’t know the details of how it unfolded, but he committed massive resources to Wilson before he even played a down… that really hurts but here we are.

                          Offer the head coaching job to Evero, he’s done a fabulous job with the defense and no matter how the year unfolds, he’ll get a pass as an interim. Get someone in here to tailor a simpler offense to Wilson and the talent on hand. Get back to basics, I think 20 ppg would be a big improvement and certainly achieve able with the talent on hand.

                          But Hackett’s gotta go. That will be the pressure relief valve for this season.

                          but i don’t disagree with the thread premise

                          I disagree with putting Eviro in charge. It's his first year as a DC and he's nailing it. Let him spend a couple years in the position and build his resume. Maybe convince Rosburg to serve as the interim, name junior Kubes the OC and bring in Sr. Kubes as an advisor until the end of the season. Start up Sean Payton talks yesterday.

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                          • #14
                            All i can do is shake my head in disbelief.

                            How in the hell can we still support Paton?. he is the main reason we are in this position.

                            Randy Gregory -> everyone pretty much warned not to take him. yet, he got him and gave loads of money.

                            Trading for Wilson and hiring hacket should be enough to fire him.

                            He should not be allowed to select a coach or trade for any players.

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                            • #15
                              Not sure why everyone is so convinced the new owners want to "spend the dollars and put the best product on the field". I don't trust the Walton's to do this very thing. Who knows if they really care about winning. Perhaps they really only care about making money and you can do that without winning. The team may end up looking like a Walmart, filled with cheap product. I don't expect any major changes any time soon.

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                              • #16
                                Ellis is one of the main reasons for this current mess.

                                Elway wanted Mike. Mike was seriously considering. Ellis nixed the deal per Woody Paige. Instead we got Fangio and ultimately Hackett.



                                this team has been in years of dysfunction. Years. Assuming new ownership will sit back and not hand pick their own FO is mind blowing.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                                  Ellis is one of the main reasons for this current mess.

                                  Elway wanted Mike. Mike was seriously considering. Ellis nixed the deal per Woody Paige. Instead we got Fangio and ultimately Hackett.



                                  this team has been in years of dysfunction. Years. Assuming new ownership will sit back and not hand pick their own FO is mind blowing.
                                  Half of this The fan base is drunk on hope and delusional thoughts of competency…

                                  Sad homers slather themselves in Orange and blue s hi t

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                                  • The1percentKid
                                    The1percentKid commented
                                    Editing a comment
                                    Bashing anyone weeks ago who said this would be a losing season.

                                    2-5

                                • #18
                                  Originally posted by Samiwindr View Post

                                  I disagree with putting Eviro in charge. It's his first year as a DC and he's nailing it. Let him spend a couple years in the position and build his resume. Maybe convince Rosburg to serve as the interim, name junior Kubes the OC and bring in Sr. Kubes as an advisor until the end of the season. Start up Sean Payton talks yesterday.
                                  There’s teams who would pluck him for HC. We’ve seen it happen before. Hackett wasn’t even a true OC…

                                  Evero would leave on his own if it was his choice. He could pair up on a team with an offense.


                                  interim won’t change much if Kubiak has full control of the offense. Studesville did it.

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                                  • #19
                                    Originally posted by Samiwindr View Post

                                    I disagree with putting Eviro in charge. It's his first year as a DC and he's nailing it. Let him spend a couple years in the position and build his resume. Maybe convince Rosburg to serve as the interim, name junior Kubes the OC and bring in Sr. Kubes as an advisor until the end of the season. Start up Sean Payton talks yesterday.
                                    I don’t disagree but he’s the best person to put in that place, since he is the one bright spot in an ocean of negativity right now. He’d have operational and game day support, and he can still run that defense…. The season is pretty much done since our chances of making the playoffs in single digits, so a drop off in defense wouldn’t be the end of the world, and it may not drop off at all.

                                    It would be nice if all he had to concentrate on was Defense, but the complexion of the team may be changing and he may have to roll with it.

                                    how much worse can it be that Hackett?? I’ll venture to guess not much!

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                                    • #20
                                      Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                                      I don’t disagree but he’s the best person to put in that place, since he is the one bright spot in an ocean of negativity right now. He’d have operational and game day support, and he can still run that defense…. The season is pretty much done since our chances of making the playoffs in single digits, so a drop off in defense wouldn’t be the end of the world, and it may not drop off at all.

                                      It would be nice if all he had to concentrate on was Defense, but the complexion of the team may be changing and he may have to roll with it.

                                      how much worse can it be that Hackett?? I’ll venture to guess not much!
                                      No doubt in my mind the players have more respect for Evero than Hackett..who is nothing but a boring gimmick.

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                                      • #21
                                        Originally posted by B-Large View Post

                                        I don’t disagree but he’s the best person to put in that place, since he is the one bright spot in an ocean of negativity right now. He’d have operational and game day support, and he can still run that defense…. The season is pretty much done since our chances of making the playoffs in single digits, so a drop off in defense wouldn’t be the end of the world, and it may not drop off at all.

                                        It would be nice if all he had to concentrate on was Defense, but the complexion of the team may be changing and he may have to roll with it.

                                        how much worse can it be that Hackett?? I’ll venture to guess not much!
                                        I want Eviro as the DC next year. If they elevate him to Interim HC, they won't keep him in the building next year.

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                                        • #22
                                          Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

                                          No doubt in my mind the players have more respect for Evero than Hackett..who is nothing but a boring gimmick.
                                          I think the offensive side of the ball would look different/ better with someone respected/ successful for the Broncos in charge. I’m not saying 180 here, let’s be realistic, but we regressing each game…

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                                          • #23
                                            Originally posted by Samiwindr View Post

                                            I want Eviro as the DC next year. If they elevate him to Interim HC, they won't keep him in the building next year.
                                            Because he’ll be hired elsewhere?

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                                            • #24
                                              Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                                              Ellis is one of the main reasons for this current mess.

                                              Elway wanted Mike. Mike was seriously considering. Ellis nixed the deal per Woody Paige. Instead we got Fangio and ultimately Hackett.



                                              this team has been in years of dysfunction. Years. Assuming new ownership will sit back and not hand pick their own FO is mind blowing.
                                              I agree with this. Ellis was the main idiot here. Elway really wasn't far behind always turning to former Broncos because the had no clue how to select a HC. Shanahan always had young up and comers on his coaching staff.




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                                              • #25
                                                Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post

                                                Hahaha. That dude is the pure definition of homer.


                                                he could coat the Titanic sinking with blind gibberish…




                                                this roster is worse now than 2017-2020. The entire teams sans 3-4 players are JAGS. And now it’ll be 2 straight years without high draft picks…FAs will not come here unless they over pay at positions…


                                                dumpster fire but let’s keep sinking for another few years!


                                                There were people in this fanbase that wanted to keep McDaniels at GM because continuity.



                                                Paton could change the tide….IF he admits his mistake and doesn’t keep Hackett for another year.
                                                Yes, I guess you can say that about the roster, but you have a defense that’s one of the best in the league in pretty much every category.

                                                You’ve got a good defense with an absolute dog crap of an offense. Even a bunch of mediocre/below average players should be able to average more than 14 points a game. How much talent do you need to score more than 14 points?? It’s insane how bad they are.

                                                Even the Dolphins, starting a 7th round rookie QB managed to spit out 17 points against this same Jets team.

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