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**-Rod-** · 10-19-2022, 12:41 PM

I think Hackett planned to install his offense but then he saw Shurmur's playbook right there on the table, ready for use, and said "what the Hack, let's use this one". Russell Wilson would have never approved that, but instead Ruse Wilson came from Seattle and he does not care.

**Yerner** · 10-19-2022, 12:55 PM

Like I said when he was hired, nobody knows what this goober would run. He’s not a Lafleur guy, he’s a Doug Marrone guy with a couple years of Lafleur stuff bended for Rodgers. He’s never run his own offense, and when he’s called plays in Buffalo and Jacksonville he sucked at it.

**Tangerine** · 10-19-2022, 01:10 PM

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**DD55** · 10-19-2022, 01:16 PM

**Gordon Gekko** · 10-19-2022, 01:23 PM

You answered your own questions. Blocking is trash, so of course it’s not WCO.

The main problem is Hackett finds success in passing or finds a mismatch and overthinks things and calls an unnecessary play.

Short yardage? Ok let’s take forever to decide a play, let the play clock wind down , then dial up a chunk play out of the shotgun, even though Russ doesn’t have time to diagnose the D and our pass pro is a sieve.

End result is Russ gets sacked/pressured out of the pocket. Play is a bust, Russ gets dinged up. Rinse and repeat for the next offensive series.

**Yerner** · 10-19-2022, 04:07 PM

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**manchambo** · 10-19-2022, 04:09 PM

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Imagine taking over a team and firing Mike Munchak.

**gunns** · 10-19-2022, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by -Rod-

I think Hackett planned to install his offense but then he saw Shurmur's playbook right there on the table, ready for use, and said "what the Hack, let's use this one". Russell Wilson would have never approved that, but instead Ruse Wilson came from Seattle and he does not care.

He's never really ran his own offense. When he did call plays he was using Marrone's playbook. Here, he's running a convoluted failure of an offense.

**Yerner** · 10-19-2022, 04:12 PM

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**Zerovoltz** · 10-19-2022, 04:18 PM

Come on you guys! This is the offense Russ wants! That is what Hackett said it would be when they traded for Russ.

**KranzDictum** · 10-19-2022, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Tangerine

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If he actually played Madden he would be a better coach than he is.

**KranzDictum** · 10-19-2022, 04:42 PM

The other thing that is frustrating to see is on the early downs the WR's are essentially lined up as TE's and not wide. All the defense has to do to take away the outside is redirect the WR's into the middle of the field. I saw a play break down on NFL Live and they showed the lack of spacing by the receivers which gives Wilson no where to throw and the advantage to the D.

Hackett is too inexperienced to fix this he needs to go. Paton can hit the skids too. Should have waited a year to lock Wilson up. I know they gave away so much it made sense to lock him up but there was no rush and they could have got him cheaper now.

**qbronco** · 10-19-2022, 04:58 PM

A staple of the outside zone passing game is half zone reads with multiple route levels. They have been virtually nonexistent. I watched one play against LAC where Wilson rolled right and had one receiver deep on that side of the field. That receiver was well covered. He had an open receiver on the left side, but everyone knows it is ill-advised to throw back across the field. No check down anywhere near him. He threw the ball away. Another wasted down.

**KranzDictum** · 10-19-2022, 05:01 PM

I also continue to be dumbfounded by why Hackett brought in Billy Turner at RT AFTER HALFTIME? You cannot put tackles on pitch counts. It is one thing if you are swapping a RT for a RT but to switch up an already struggling OL by flipping a guy who started at RT to LT then bring in a guy for his first action of the year was asking for trouble.

Then they fail to run behind Turner. They kept trying to run to the weakest side of the OL.

Just when you think you have seen everything some young idiot comes in and finds something else to mess up.

**KranzDictum** · 10-19-2022, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by qbronco

A staple of the outside zone passing game is half zone reads with multiple route levels. They have been virtually nonexistent. I watched one play against LAC where Wilson rolled right and had one receiver deep on that side of the field. That receiver was well covered. He had an open receiver on the left side, but everyone knows it is ill-advised to throw back across the field. No check down anywhere near him. He threw the ball away. Another wasted down.

Excellent point about lack of levels in the passing routes. They are not making the D choose a defender to defend. They make it too easy for them.

**Old Coyote** · 10-19-2022, 05:40 PM

It's an offence that RW3 wanted.
he thinks he can last for another decade if he plays from the pocket and doesn't run much. He imagines himself being a tall man.

He does not hit the guys a pocket QB needs to hit.
He runs and buys time to throw down field because his brain can't calculate fast enough to hit closer and he can't see over the linemen anyway. Even on rubs that are schemed to get 4 yards and have an open guy infront of him. He takes off and targets the double covered Sutton who is running a dummy route and shouldn't nlbe even targeted.

He needs to bootleg out and play the plummer offense or man up and run.
But even if he does... He's too slow mentally, can't see presnap reads anymore (don't know that he ever did that), and he is unable to hold a playbook in his head.
Dude is cooked. It's like playing Dirty Sanchez and expecting Marino.

**Vera Hara** · 10-19-2022, 06:33 PM

Certainly not a typical WCO.

Attack levels in the passing game are awful. Very little zone concepts. Absolutely very little pre-snap motion. I brought this up a few games into the season. It hasn't changed. It's a shit offense ran by Uncle Eddy.

**Mozzafiato** · 10-19-2022, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Requiem

Certainly not a typical WCO.

Attack levels in the passing game are awful. Very little zone concepts. Absolutely very little pre-snap motion. I brought this up a few games into the season. It hasn't changed. It's a shit offense ran by Uncle Eddy.

And this is yet another thing that makes no sense about the hiring process. Shouldn’t having Hackett explain in detail the offense he was going to run have been part of it? And if it was, shouldn’t they have been able to see that he didn’t know what he was doing? And if it wasn’t, why not?

**Gutless Drunk** · 10-19-2022, 06:42 PM

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**peacepipe** · 10-19-2022, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Old Coyote

It's an offence that RW3 wanted.
he thinks he can last for another decade if he plays from the pocket and doesn't run much. He imagines himself being a tall man.

He does not hit the guys a pocket QB needs to hit.
He runs and buys time to throw down field because his brain can't calculate fast enough to hit closer and he can't see over the linemen anyway. Even on rubs that are schemed to get 4 yards and have an open guy infront of him. He takes off and targets the double covered Sutton who is running a dummy route and shouldn't nlbe even targeted.

He needs to bootleg out and play the plummer offense or man up and run.
But even if he does... He's too slow mentally, can't see presnap reads anymore (don't know that he ever did that), and he is unable to hold a playbook in his head.
Dude is cooked. It's like playing Dirty Sanchez and expecting Marino.

Bingo!!!

**Mile High Salute** · 10-19-2022, 06:54 PM

I believe it’s officially termed the “Three-and-Out”. 🤷🏼‍♂️

**Fireball** · 10-19-2022, 07:13 PM

I call it the “Let’s Ride the Punter” offense.

**-Rod-** · 10-19-2022, 07:39 PM

If Mike Shanahan comes in to take a look at Hackett's system:

**Mozzafiato** · 10-19-2022, 08:36 PM

I posted this before in another thread but it’s worth a read if you haven’t read it.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-geno-sm...russell-wilson

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