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  • What type of offense are we running?

    I see zone in the run game but Hackett said he was going to use sideline to sideline when he signed on as HC and OC. They have tried pitch plays but the defenders are usually in the backfield before the RB can break wide. Everything seems to be dive plays with very little lead blocking or pulling. At least Pat would pull a guard and use power concepts from time to time. They started off using Beck in the backfield in week 1 as an H back and abandoned that after he had a ton of success in week 1.

    I can't tell what they are trying to do at all in the passing game. It is not west coast at all. It is all deep routes at the boundary's. Seems really easy to defend and most times Wilson doesn't have time to get the ball out. They used Sutton on some slants early in I think the Raiders game which had some success but otherwise it is a screen, throw wide to a WR one on one with blocking, etc...

    Nothing is used to setup big plays later in games, seems like they keep trying to out think the opponent and get the home run rather than attack them and get a bunch of singles.

    What do you call this O other than crap? Anyone know what category it would fall under?

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    I think Hackett planned to install his offense but then he saw Shurmur's playbook right there on the table, ready for use, and said "what the Hack, let's use this one". Russell Wilson would have never approved that, but instead Ruse Wilson came from Seattle and he does not care.

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    • #3
      Like I said when he was hired, nobody knows what this goober would run. He’s not a Lafleur guy, he’s a Doug Marrone guy with a couple years of Lafleur stuff bended for Rodgers. He’s never run his own offense, and when he’s called plays in Buffalo and Jacksonville he sucked at it.

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            You answered your own questions. Blocking is trash, so of course it’s not WCO.

            The main problem is Hackett finds success in passing or finds a mismatch and overthinks things and calls an unnecessary play.

            Short yardage? Ok let’s take forever to decide a play, let the play clock wind down , then dial up a chunk play out of the shotgun, even though Russ doesn’t have time to diagnose the D and our pass pro is a sieve.

            End result is Russ gets sacked/pressured out of the pocket. Play is a bust, Russ gets dinged up. Rinse and repeat for the next offensive series.

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            • 76er
              76er commented
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              I think you need to go over the film a little more closely. Hackett hasn't been able to call much more than vanilla plays because players, primarily Wilson and the receivers are struggling to understand the concepts. They really needed more reps and more time in the preseason. Two easy examples from the Monday night game with Russell Wilson missing a wide open TE (Dulcich) in 3rd and short situations. They put a player in motion, in large part to test defensive reaction and determine if it is zone or man coverage. Each time in the example above it was a zone defense. 1% mentioned Wilson's struggles seeing and hitting the middle of the field. Watch the 3rd and short plays from Monday Night for Exhibits 1 and 2... or 21 and 22 on the season.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by Yerner View Post
              Imagine taking over a team and firing Mike Munchak.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
                I think Hackett planned to install his offense but then he saw Shurmur's playbook right there on the table, ready for use, and said "what the Hack, let's use this one". Russell Wilson would have never approved that, but instead Ruse Wilson came from Seattle and he does not care.
                He's never really ran his own offense. When he did call plays he was using Marrone's playbook. Here, he's running a convoluted failure of an offense.

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                  • #11
                    Come on you guys! This is the offense Russ wants! That is what Hackett said it would be when they traded for Russ.

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                      If he actually played Madden he would be a better coach than he is.

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                      • #13
                        The other thing that is frustrating to see is on the early downs the WR's are essentially lined up as TE's and not wide. All the defense has to do to take away the outside is redirect the WR's into the middle of the field. I saw a play break down on NFL Live and they showed the lack of spacing by the receivers which gives Wilson no where to throw and the advantage to the D.

                        Hackett is too inexperienced to fix this he needs to go. Paton can hit the skids too. Should have waited a year to lock Wilson up. I know they gave away so much it made sense to lock him up but there was no rush and they could have got him cheaper now.

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                        • #14
                          A staple of the outside zone passing game is half zone reads with multiple route levels. They have been virtually nonexistent. I watched one play against LAC where Wilson rolled right and had one receiver deep on that side of the field. That receiver was well covered. He had an open receiver on the left side, but everyone knows it is ill-advised to throw back across the field. No check down anywhere near him. He threw the ball away. Another wasted down.

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                          • #15
                            I also continue to be dumbfounded by why Hackett brought in Billy Turner at RT AFTER HALFTIME? You cannot put tackles on pitch counts. It is one thing if you are swapping a RT for a RT but to switch up an already struggling OL by flipping a guy who started at RT to LT then bring in a guy for his first action of the year was asking for trouble.

                            Then they fail to run behind Turner. They kept trying to run to the weakest side of the OL.

                            Just when you think you have seen everything some young idiot comes in and finds something else to mess up.

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                            • #16
                              Originally posted by qbronco View Post
                              A staple of the outside zone passing game is half zone reads with multiple route levels. They have been virtually nonexistent. I watched one play against LAC where Wilson rolled right and had one receiver deep on that side of the field. That receiver was well covered. He had an open receiver on the left side, but everyone knows it is ill-advised to throw back across the field. No check down anywhere near him. He threw the ball away. Another wasted down.
                              Excellent point about lack of levels in the passing routes. They are not making the D choose a defender to defend. They make it too easy for them.

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                              • #17
                                It's an offence that RW3 wanted.
                                he thinks he can last for another decade if he plays from the pocket and doesn't run much. He imagines himself being a tall man.

                                He does not hit the guys a pocket QB needs to hit.
                                He runs and buys time to throw down field because his brain can't calculate fast enough to hit closer and he can't see over the linemen anyway. Even on rubs that are schemed to get 4 yards and have an open guy infront of him. He takes off and targets the double covered Sutton who is running a dummy route and shouldn't nlbe even targeted.

                                He needs to bootleg out and play the plummer offense or man up and run.
                                But even if he does... He's too slow mentally, can't see presnap reads anymore (don't know that he ever did that), and he is unable to hold a playbook in his head.
                                Dude is cooked. It's like playing Dirty Sanchez and expecting Marino.

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                                • BowlenBall
                                  BowlenBall commented
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                                  I think you're on to something here -- Wilson was probably given assurances before signing that he would play from the pocket rather than do an excessive number of rollouts or bootlegs. Hackett's probably being forced to stick to that promise (at least for now), even though Wilson has been disastrous from the pocket so far.

                                  He just can't do it -- something Pete Carroll knew well.

                              • #18
                                Certainly not a typical WCO.

                                Attack levels in the passing game are awful. Very little zone concepts. Absolutely very little pre-snap motion. I brought this up a few games into the season. It hasn't changed. It's a shit offense ran by Uncle Eddy.

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                                • #19
                                  Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                                  Certainly not a typical WCO.

                                  Attack levels in the passing game are awful. Very little zone concepts. Absolutely very little pre-snap motion. I brought this up a few games into the season. It hasn't changed. It's a shit offense ran by Uncle Eddy.
                                  And this is yet another thing that makes no sense about the hiring process. Shouldn’t having Hackett explain in detail the offense he was going to run have been part of it? And if it was, shouldn’t they have been able to see that he didn’t know what he was doing? And if it wasn’t, why not?

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                                  • Shalowlow
                                    Shalowlow commented
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                                    I'm assuming during the hiring process they were talking about an offense for Rodgers or Drew Lock, not Russ.

                                    Now that they got Russ, I'm also very much assuming Russ is demanding a certain offense and Hackett is providing it, plus, Hackett gets to be the fall guy because, "How can Russ look so bad all of a sudden, must be coaching". They're inexplicably, letting Russ cook. Bon Appetit.

                                  • 76er
                                    76er commented
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                                    I think it would have been pretty easy for him in an interview session to throw out all of the buzz words and concepts. The Mesh routes, deep digs, bootlegs and waggles... the outside zone and quick hitters that are essentially an extension to the run game. And, how he can utilize the current players on the roster in this scheme getting guys like Meinerz and Risner out in space and utilizing their agility to make them better fits. Easy to talk to. But, coaching players to do it is another thing entirely. Easy to talk to and draw it up on paper. Difficult to put together practice progressions that develop the scheme and players. Paton knows football but just like you can't say for sure whether a draft pick will make it in the NFL you can't tell whether a first time coach will either.

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                                  • #21
                                    Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post
                                    It's an offence that RW3 wanted.
                                    he thinks he can last for another decade if he plays from the pocket and doesn't run much. He imagines himself being a tall man.

                                    He does not hit the guys a pocket QB needs to hit.
                                    He runs and buys time to throw down field because his brain can't calculate fast enough to hit closer and he can't see over the linemen anyway. Even on rubs that are schemed to get 4 yards and have an open guy infront of him. He takes off and targets the double covered Sutton who is running a dummy route and shouldn't nlbe even targeted.

                                    He needs to bootleg out and play the plummer offense or man up and run.
                                    But even if he does... He's too slow mentally, can't see presnap reads anymore (don't know that he ever did that), and he is unable to hold a playbook in his head.
                                    Dude is cooked. It's like playing Dirty Sanchez and expecting Marino.
                                    Bingo!!!

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                                    • #22
                                      I believe it’s officially termed the “Three-and-Out”. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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                                      • BowlenBall
                                        BowlenBall commented
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                                        "The Rocky Mountain Three-Step"
                                        "The Punt-and-Pray Offense"
                                        "Run-Run-Pass-Punt-apalooza"

                                    • #23
                                      I call it the “Let’s Ride the Punter” offense.

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                                      • #24
                                        If Mike Shanahan comes in to take a look at Hackett's system:

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                                        • #25
                                          I posted this before in another thread but it’s worth a read if you haven’t read it.

                                          https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-geno-sm...russell-wilson
                                          Last edited by Mozzafiato; 10-20-2022, 08:32 AM.

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