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    Help me understand what happened.

    How can you go 10 for 10 with 110 years and 1 TD to the rest of the game.

    By going 10/10 it says you can do it. Why the fall off.

    Gordon deserves to be benched . He should have been made to watch a repeat of his fumbles all game as he cried for not playing. However how the broncos coaches handled it was wrong and the players saw that.

    Again our WR need to figure out how to get separation. I put this on the coaching staff as much as I do the players. Were's the fire , the yelling the screaming ?? It seem flat and they seem to be ok with that and I don't understand that.

    RW3 need to relax and just get in the zone. He seems to be trying to hard. I think this may be the one of the biggest differences between the 1st quarter and the rest of the game.

    The O-line is just not jelling. In fact it seems to be getting worse.

    Our D is very susceptible to the run. Needs some tweaking but i believe this can be fixed.

    RW3 can't seen the middle of the field. So quit calling plays to the middle. Figure something out .

    Back to the original topic. This team has it. It's strange to think but we were 1 play away in each of our loses from being 5-1 . We looked dominant and then just nothing.

    It's just so odd.

    Also there's the fact that a quarter of the team is injured. Somehow I just don't think this is the issue though.

  • #2
    Originally posted by quoydogs View Post
    Help me understand what happened.

    How can you go 10 for 10 with 110 years and 1 TD to the rest of the game.

    By going 10/10 it says you can do it. Why the fall off.

    Gordon deserves to be benched . He should have been made to watch a repeat of his fumbles all game as he cried for not playing. However how the broncos coaches handled it was wrong and the players saw that.

    Again our WR need to figure out how to get separation. I put this on the coaching staff as much as I do the players. Were's the fire , the yelling the screaming ?? It seem flat and they seem to be ok with that and I don't understand that.

    RW3 need to relax and just get in the zone. He seems to be trying to hard. I think this may be the one of the biggest differences between the 1st quarter and the rest of the game.

    The O-line is just not jelling. In fact it seems to be getting worse.

    Our D is very susceptible to the run. Needs some tweaking but i believe this can be fixed.

    RW3 can't seen the middle of the field. So quit calling plays to the middle. Figure something out .

    Back to the original topic. This team has it. It's strange to think but we were 1 play away in each of our loses from being 5-1 . We looked dominant and then just nothing.

    It's just so odd.
    30 plus baby, it’s all good homer!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wolf754life View Post

      30 plus baby, it’s all good homer!
      Dude , seriously. You're not a fan and I'm trying to talk football. Just ****ing leave. You are ruining this board. Dom you need to do something about the squad of trolls on this board. It's quickly turning into the Mane before it died. It's getting stupid.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by quoydogs View Post

        Dude , seriously. You're not a fan and I'm trying to talk football. Just ****ing leave. You are ruining this board. Dom you need to do something about the squad of trolls on this board. It's quickly turning into the Mane before it died. It's getting stupid.
        Whaaaaaaa!

        poor homer…

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        • #5
          Don't worry we will score 30 points..

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          • #6
            I just sold my 3 seats to jets fans

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            • #7
              The D gave up two long drives after being up 10-0. Chargers had time to adjust and blitzed more, especially on third downs, they knew the OL was struggling with blitz pickups.

              I know Russ can read a defense and adjust on the fly but honestly I don’t think Russ has any trust in the guys. The line is full of bums, aside from Meinerz. I think you have to consider at some point to move Meinerz to center and build out from there.

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              • #8
                It's stupid that you blindly follow Hackett and Paton. Everyone sees it.. you keep saying the same thing "We will score 30 points"... are there any indications?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gordon Gekko View Post
                  The D gave up two long drives after being up 10-0. Chargers had time to adjust and blitzed more, especially on third downs, they knew the OL was struggling with blitz pickups.

                  I know Russ can read a defense and adjust on the fly but honestly I don’t think Russ has any trust in the guys. The line is full of bums, aside from Meinerz. I think you have to consider at some point to move Meinerz to center and build out from there.
                  Wilson doesn’t even understand line calls and protections…

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gordon Gekko View Post
                    The D gave up two long drives after being up 10-0. Chargers had time to adjust and blitzed more, especially on third downs, they knew the OL was struggling with blitz pickups.

                    I know Russ can read a defense and adjust on the fly but honestly I don’t think Russ has any trust in the guys. The line is full of bums, aside from Meinerz. I think you have to consider at some point to move Meinerz to center and build out from there.
                    I fault Paton, Hackett and then Wilson.

                    Don't believe Wilson is playing like a rookie all of a sudden. It must be scheme and the way Hackett is calling the plays.

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                    • #11
                      Hackett scripted some nice plays and concepts in the first quarter. SD's defense adjusted and pushed our o-lines shit in. Risner might be the worst starting guard in the league right now. Also our receivers weren't winning one-on-ones and Russ held the ball too long on 4 or 5 snaps. He also can't hit crossers over the middle because he's 3 feet tall and has the Yips in the pocket.

                      Other than that, everything is fine.

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                      • #12
                        The wheels fell off after the standard scripted set was through. Pretty obvious if you watched the game. Hackett shouldn't be calling the plays.

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                        • Old Coyote
                          Old Coyote commented
                          Editing a comment
                          This.. for the reason.
                          Though I disagree with the Hackett hate.
                          Hackett called plays that were there again.
                          Either Jeudy stopped trying or Wilson didn't even look at his schemed open players.

                          He's cooked. He can't presnap read well enough anymore. Don't know that he ever could.

                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                        The wheels fell off after the standard scripted set was through. Pretty obvious if you watched the game. Hackett shouldn't be calling the plays.
                        This is kinda my thought process. The first quater looked like what I expected to see this year. Some great plays , people starting to jell, some mistakes and some big plays. I very excited. Then at the flip of a switch it was gone. It's just strange. It has to be coaching.

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by quoydogs View Post

                          This is kinda my thought process. The first quater looked like what I expected to see this year. Some great plays , people starting to jell, some mistakes and some big plays. I very excited. Then at the flip of a switch it was gone. It's just strange. It has to be coaching.
                          Rationalization is rational….

                          captain turd polisher on patrol!

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                          • Old Coyote
                            Old Coyote commented
                            Editing a comment
                            No it's Wilson.
                            Coaching sent out plays and Wilson couldn't remember what the hell he was supposed to do. He memorized the scripted drive. But can't hold that and the playbook in his brain.

                        • #15
                          Originally posted by quoydogs View Post
                          Help me understand what happened.

                          How can you go 10 for 10 with 110 years and 1 TD to the rest of the game.

                          By going 10/10 it says you can do it. Why the fall off.

                          Gordon deserves to be benched . He should have been made to watch a repeat of his fumbles all game as he cried for not playing. However how the broncos coaches handled it was wrong and the players saw that.

                          Again our WR need to figure out how to get separation. I put this on the coaching staff as much as I do the players. Were's the fire , the yelling the screaming ?? It seem flat and they seem to be ok with that and I don't understand that.

                          RW3 need to relax and just get in the zone. He seems to be trying to hard. I think this may be the one of the biggest differences between the 1st quarter and the rest of the game.

                          The O-line is just not jelling. In fact it seems to be getting worse.

                          Our D is very susceptible to the run. Needs some tweaking but i believe this can be fixed.

                          RW3 can't seen the middle of the field. So quit calling plays to the middle. Figure something out .

                          Back to the original topic. This team has it. It's strange to think but we were 1 play away in each of our loses from being 5-1 . We looked dominant and then just nothing.

                          It's just so odd.

                          Also there's the fact that a quarter of the team is injured. Somehow I just don't think this is the issue though.
                          A bunch to unpack here... First, Melvin Gordon. They did him wrong. This reminds me of how TJ Ward was told he was solid with the team and the next thing you know he's getting traded. The team never recovered from that. Same thing is going on with Melvin Gordon. Teammates see it and are not happy. They may agree that he has lost some games for us but they also don't agree with dicking a player around either.

                          WR's are running very poor routes. Sloppy, not crisp, not sharp. Hard to blame Russell for not finding open players when they have such a poor % getting open.

                          The OL was fine in the first half. Not stellar, especially the interior... it was working (13 points scored). Then they changed it at halftime. They actually made an adjustment to what was working and turned it into a shit-show in the second half! This is beyond pathetic for this coaching staff and perhaps the strongest indictment of them being in over their heads.

                          As for Wilson... Million $ question right here... The Russell Wilson we saw in the first quarter (10/10 - 126 yards and a TD). Is that the player that Russ wants to be and Hackett won’t let him?... or is that the player that Hackett wants and Russ doesn’t want to be that player any more? I believe that is the player we all expect. I believe Russ does not want to be that player any more. All of that said, If it is the former (Hackett doesn't want him moving) then Hackett needs to go today! This would be the best case scenario honestly because if Russ just doesn't care to be that mobile player anymore, we are screwed for the next several years. :/

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                          • #16
                            Wade always let an easy drive to open the game, then adjusted. Chargers did the same.

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                            • #17
                              A bunch to unpack here... First, Melvin Gordon. They did him wrong. This reminds me of how TJ Ward was told he was solid with the team and the next thing you know he's getting traded. The team never recovered from that. Same thing is going on with Melvin Gordon. Teammates see it and are not happy. They may agree that he has lost some games for us but they also don't agree with dicking a player around either.

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                              You could see player talking to him, shit changed shortly after. It's not a good way to run a business.



                              WR's are running very poor routes. Sloppy, not crisp, not sharp. Hard to blame Russell for not finding open players when they have such a poor % getting open.

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                              Why aren't their coaches yelling and screaming about our WRs shitting the bed. Not saying RW3 doesn't have his own problems but this is a big reason he is not playing well.




                              The OL was fine in the first half. Not stellar, especially the interior... it was working (13 points scored). Then they changed it at halftime. They actually made an adjustment to what was working and turned it into a shit-show in the second half! This is beyond pathetic for this coaching staff and perhaps the strongest indictment of them being in over their heads.
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                              Completely agree with this. This is also a reason wilson can't get comfortable in the pocket.



                              As for Wilson... Million $ question right here... The Russell Wilson we saw in the first quarter (10/10 - 126 yards and a TD). Is that the player that Russ wants to be and Hackett won’t let him?... or is that the player that Hackett wants and Russ doesn’t want to be that player any more? I believe that is the player we all expect. I believe Russ does not want to be that player any more. All of that said, If it is the former (Hackett doesn't want him moving) then Hackett needs to go today! This would be the best case scenario honestly because if Russ just doesn't care to be that mobile player anymore, we are screwed for the next several years. :/
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                              • #18
                                Originally posted by 76er View Post

                                A bunch to unpack here... First, Melvin Gordon. They did him wrong. This reminds me of how TJ Ward was told he was solid with the team and the next thing you know he's getting traded.
                                Well except Melvin Gordon literally costing us 2 of our 4 losses by himself. Whilst being a street free agent replacement level back.

                                In other words, these situations are nothing alike. The only confusing part was letting him get carries out of the gates. But the flip side is, do you feel great about MG carrying footballs late in tie games? I'm sure the staff has its nerves about it as well.

                                Dude needs to get his act together. Nobody wants a league legend fumbler who's a constant distraction on the sideline when he's not given his chances to fumble another one away.


                                WR's are running very poor routes. Sloppy, not crisp, not sharp. Hard to blame Russell for not finding open players when they have such a poor % getting open
                                Russ missed another couple of wide open head scratchers (like Dulcich for an easy 3rd down conversion late in the 4th.) Definitely seems like a midfield vision thing.

                                The OL was fine in the first half. Not stellar, especially the interior... it was working (13 points scored). Then they changed it at halftime. They actually made an adjustment to what was working and turned it into a shit-show in the second half! This is beyond pathetic for this coaching staff and perhaps the strongest indictment of them being in over their heads.

                                As for Wilson... Million $ question right here... The Russell Wilson we saw in the first quarter (10/10 - 126 yards and a TD). Is that the player that Russ wants to be and Hackett won’t let him?... or is that the player that Hackett wants and Russ doesn’t want to be that player any more?
                                Looking through the first couple drives again... we threw the ball a lot.

                                That Run Run Pass sh*t we saw at the end of the game wasn't there. Mostly throws on 1st down, often on 2nd.

                                Russ made magic a couple times rolling to the right. Meanwhile during later critical times of the game it seemed like we had nothing usable going on on that side of the field even though that's usually Russ' route of escape.

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                                • #19
                                  I don’t understand the Gordon white knighting, guy was a fumble machine and people wanted him in during a close game?

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                                  • #20
                                    Originally posted by Gordon Gekko View Post
                                    I don’t understand the Gordon white knighting, guy was a fumble machine and people wanted him in during a close game?
                                    Oh I support the benching, it's how they did it that was wrong. They sent the wrong message to the players.

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                                    • #21
                                      Originally posted by quoydogs View Post

                                      Oh I support the benching, it's how they did it that was wrong. They sent the wrong message to the players.
                                      What message was that?

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                                      • #22
                                        Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                                        Well except Melvin Gordon literally costing us 2 of our 4 losses by himself. Whilst being a street free agent replacement level back.
                                        I’m not sure I understand the bolded. Gordon is a very good RB outside of the fumbling. Considerably better than replacement level.

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                                        • #23
                                          Originally posted by Gordon Gekko View Post
                                          I don’t understand the Gordon white knighting, guy was a fumble machine and people wanted him in during a close game?
                                          I think the issue is more the mixed messages and dishonesty. If you don’t trust him then don’t start him, and perhaps don’t even keep him on the roster.

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                                          • #24
                                            Originally posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

                                            What message was that?
                                            Dishonesty , deceitful, lack of respect.

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                                            • #25
                                              Nobody that I know is suggesting that Melvin should have been in the game. That isn't the point at all. The point is how you treat players and that you won't stand there as a man and put it to a player straight. "Melvin, we don't have a lot of confidence in you right now. I'm not sure you're gonna see the field a whole lot until we regain that confidence and that is on you for the fumbles." Instead, they are going to him and telling him everything is alright and they are behind him and still have faith in him, etc. etc. That is the issue.

                                              Also troubling from my view... when Jeudy was frustrated, he didn't go to Russell Wilson and talk it over with him. He went to Melvin Gordon. When Sutton was frustrated he tried to talk to Wilson on the field... you saw how that went (not targeted again). Wilson has a HUGE relatability issue. Players don't like him or trust him.

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