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  • Have to fix the main problem. The offensive line.

    This offensive line is complete garbage. It doesn't matter who we play they are in the backfield in under 2 seconds to disrupt the play. You can't expect good QB play when he has no protection.

    Risner and Cush have looked terrible all season long. Turner isn't the answer at RT either. Paton needs to focus on the o line in the off season and should have probably taken some in this years draft instead of taking a 5th string pass rusher in the 2nd round. Abraham Lucas and Bernard Raimann we're both there for the taking at 64.

    Now bonito might develop into a stud but right now he's not and Lucas and Raimann are both playing well as starters in the league.

    I said it during the game. Everyone on that offensive line is expendable except the Belly.

    I could build a better offensive line with players in the FA market.

    LT. Eric Fisher/ Cam Flemming
    LG. Ereck Flowers/ Muti
    C. Slide the Belly to C/ Wattenberg
    RG. Daryl Williams / Tom Compton
    RT. Bobbie Massie / Billy Turner

    cut Calvin Anderson and Glasgow. Then trade Cush, Risner and Melvin Gordon for whatever you can get out of them.

  • #2
    Ignore it more PATON

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    • #3
      For real, at least make a couple changes to show the D they're willing to do something. Especially Risner and Cushenberry. Those guys are issues.

      edit: Just checked, I thought Flowers was mostly an RG but his last 3 season were LG, good call.

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      • #4
        The o-line is shit.

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        • #5
          Virtually every offensive lineman is back-up material. Dalton Risner can walk in free agency. Graham Glasgow is going to be cut and they will save $10M. Too bad Bolles got injured because I'd seriously contemplate sending him for whatever you can get back. Cushenberry is a back-up pivot who can't play G. No flexibility there, but he sticks for his rookie deal unless you find a sure-fire upgrade. Nobody is trading for any guys on Denver's OL. Not one team would consider that.

          Fleming, Turner, Anderson, Muti, etc. — they are just backups. Meinerz might be the only long-term solution in that room. I'm not going to hold my breath on the rookie Wattenberg actually panning out. Not with Butch Barry here. Tremendous downgrade from Mike Munchak. I'd assume if Daryl Williams was healthy he would be on a team. He's been above-average or good most of his career, but hurt a few times recently.

          Butch Barry should be fired. Someone needs to ask Hackett why he felt he was better suited than Chris Kuper or Mike Munchak for the job. Kuper has those guys in MN playing well. Big failure.​

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Requiem
            Virtually every offensive lineman is back-up material. Dalton Risner can walk in free agency. Graham Glasgow is going to be cut and they will save $10M. Too bad Bolles got injured because I'd seriously contemplate sending him for whatever you can get back. Cushenberry is a back-up pivot who can't play G. No flexibility there, but he sticks for his rookie deal unless you find a sure-fire upgrade. Nobody is trading for any guys on Denver's OL. Not one team would consider that.

            Fleming, Turner, Anderson, Muti, etc. — they are just backups. Meinerz might be the only long-term solution in that room. I'm not going to hold my breath on the rookie Wattenberg actually panning out. Not with Butch Barry here. Tremendous downgrade from Mike Munchak. I'd assume if Daryl Williams was healthy he would be on a team. He's been above-average or good most of his career, but hurt a few times recently.

            Butch Barry should be fired. Someone needs to ask Hackett why he felt he was better suited than Chris Kuper or Mike Munchak for the job. Kuper has those guys in MN playing well. Big failure.​
            That's why I said for whatever you can get. Someone might be willing to throw out a late round pick for Risner or Cush. They are still young with starting experience. Could be a decent backup.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Allen_C

              That's why I said for whatever you can get. Someone might be willing to throw out a late round pick for Risner or Cush. They are still young with starting experience. Could be a decent backup.
              Right, but I don't see a team trading anything for Risner (deal expiring) and I'm not sure Denver's ready to pivot to Wattenberg or move Glasgow to C. In all honesty, Glasgow looks d-o-n-e. Which is sad, because that dude was a good football player and then he came here, got hurt twice, and now is basically a sloppy pancake.

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              • #8
                The main problem isn’t the OL.

                it’s Wilson.


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                • Old Coyote
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                  Yep. Wilson stinks.

              • #9
                A dumbass coaching staff who refuses to bench Wilson. That’s a far bigger problem.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by The1percentKid
                  A dumbass coaching staff who refuses to bench Wilson. That’s a far bigger problem.

                  What's Gus Frerotte up to these days 🤔

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                  • #11
                    Still blaming players....

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                    • #12
                      The Line, Wilson... they just both kind of suck.... who cares, this season is all but done and we're likely to have another new staff again.

                      If I were ownership, I's can everybody down to the towel boy, find out who is the person who has been learning from Brandon Beane for years, and try to bring in what the Bills have done here...that team is impressive because of Allen, but even more impressive are the drafts and and value signings on Defense.. that roster is really good, really deep.



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                      • #13
                        Hmm. I was told that the Broncos line wouldn’t be a problem.

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                        • Old Coyote
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                          They wouldn't be. Though no one here was touting them being awesome. They are better than most of the league according to stats. But Wilson is a Hobbit that can't see over them and causes delays.

                        • Zerovoltz
                          Zerovoltz commented
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                          Mr. Coyote, you were one who was saying the line was good, including the RT...whoever that might be. Now, a bunch of your fellow fans here are saying the line is bad. Which is it?

                      • #14
                        Originally posted by The1percentKid
                        A dumbass coaching staff who refuses to bench Wilson. That’s a far bigger problem.

                        I think at this point Rypien doesn't being the upside, but he can run the offense relatively efficiently. I think we're two wins better with him playing.

                        **** optics at this point, we've been embarrassing on the national stage 4 times in 6 weeks... make a change, if its worse, who cares we have nothing to lose...

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by Zerovoltz
                          Hmm. I was told that the Broncos line wouldn’t be a problem.
                          Very few posters here were confident in Denver's OL.

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                          • quoydogs
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                            I can't think of anyone. That's one thing we all agreed on.

                          • Zerovoltz
                            Zerovoltz commented
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                            I've been quoting folks from other threads who were saying the line would be good. It's more than you think.

                        • #16
                          Originally posted by Requiem

                          Very few posters here were confident in Denver's OL.
                          I just assumed they'd be average but Wilson would be on the move and we'd be creative on offense. I was wrong on all three. sad!

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                          • #17
                            I've been complaining about our O-line issues for years. It's certainly not the only problem. But it's a big one.

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                            • #18
                              Originally posted by Zerovoltz
                              Hmm. I was told that the Broncos line wouldn’t be a problem.
                              **** off. Nobody was saying that.

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                              • mray
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                                She's a beach

                            • #19
                              Originally posted by The1percentKid
                              A dumbass coaching staff who refuses to bench Wilson. That’s a far bigger problem.

                              missing Bridgewater, Flacco, Keenum, Siemian, Osweiler, Lynch, Tebow, and Orton

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                              • #20
                                Paton has been here for two off seasons. John Elway's Front Office drafted Ty Sombrailo in the 2nd round back in 2015 (garbage) and then back in 2017 drafted Bolles. Then in 2019 in the 2nd round we drafted Dalton Risner (crap) and that has been it for the premium picks on the O-Line. Since Paton has taken over he has continued the tradition of ignoring the O-Line. In just this last draft we picked Bonitto, who has had zero impact at a deep position, over Nicholas Petit-Frere, who was fairly obviously going to be a starting RT as a rookie and might work out at LT down the road. That's just the latest example off the top of my head because I was seriously hoping we'd draft Petit-Frere and was disappointed/disgusted that we got Bonitto instead. We could have had a very, very good O-Line right now with a very, very good coach in charge of them. Instead Munchak and Kuper were given chicken shit and then let go when they couldn't turn it into chicken salad. Really ****ing smart, huh?

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                                • #21
                                  I doubt Paton will be doing any fixing after this ****ing disaster. Him and Hackett are likely done.

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                                  • #22
                                    Espn and PFF don't know how to grade OL play honestly. They said Denver was 5 heading into the season which we all knew was a joke. Wilson has been bad but the OL is atrocious. I think the only starters on the OL are 77 and 72. Rest are JAGS. Risner has been a complete bum since a very nice rookie year. It needs a complete rebuild with no draft picks. Better be sellers.

                                    For those pushing that Paton should have drafted Berhard Raimann i have to wonder if anyone has seen him play. He would fit in like great in Denver because he has been one of the worst OL in the league. He is Bolles Fisher level of play out of a rookie. Now whether he will develop or not remains to be seen.

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                                    • #23
                                      Originally posted by DD55
                                      Espn and PFF don't know how to grade OL play honestly. They said Denver was 5 heading into the season which we all knew was a joke. Wilson has been bad but the OL is atrocious. I think the only starters on the OL are 77 and 72. Rest are JAGS. Risner has been a complete bum since a very nice rookie year. It needs a complete rebuild with no draft picks. Better be sellers.

                                      For those pushing that Paton should have drafted Berhard Raimann i have to wonder if anyone has seen him play. He would fit in like great in Denver because he has been one of the worst OL in the league. He is Bolles Fisher level of play out of a rookie. Now whether he will develop or not remains to be seen.
                                      Personally I wanted Charles Cross or Kenyon Green if we stayed at #9. After the Russ trade I wanted Lucas or Faalele at RT

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                                      • #24
                                        Glad to see this thread and glad to see this site back up. The line is the problem. RW has happy feet and doesn't trust them. Its at least part of his woes... But I am not sure if that explains all of it.

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                                        • #25
                                          O line is serviceable. Bad Qbs always take a bunch of sacks, and wilson is backup quality at best.

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