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  • All Things QB Analysis thread

    Apologies if posted. Thought about reviving the GDT for this post but that depressed me. Maybe makes sense to have a thread for these weekly breakdowns? We will see.


  • #2
    So basically we'll get "Bench Wilson thread" info but presented as outside opinion.

    I'll say it. Bench that mentally declined fool. Make him be holder and play ST until he retires out of shame.

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    • listopencil
      listopencil commented
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      The good thing about these (Jenkins and Kurt Warner as well) is that they do commentary while the play is shown on the video, and they mark out the routes run while describing the play.

  • #3
    Might be nice to have these in one thread. I'd suggest posting each of the ones this guy (Tim Jenkins) made for Wilson - one for each game.

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    • Old Coyote
      Old Coyote commented
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      Oh I get it.

      Yes. Let's make a running history of fail

    • quoydogs
      quoydogs commented
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      Yes, the doom and gloom thread.

  • #4
    Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post
    So basically we'll get "Bench Wilson thread" info but presented as outside opinion.

    I'll say it. Bench that mentally declined fool. Make him be holder and play ST until he retires out of shame.
    Calm your $245M benching roll Coyote.

    We need to think of this as the "beginning" of the Russel Wilson tenure. We aren't going to change that piece of the puzzle, we can be sure of that.
    First consideration is how we see this group "gel" for the remainder of the season. Statistically, we have the chance to be in second place in the AFC West after this weekend. We have a top 5 defense, and are a middle of the road offense (yards), but need to improve in the Red Zone. This can be fixed.

    So given the pieces we have (and with Wilson as QB), let's focus on what needs to change to salvage THIS season. It is the beginning of a 3+ year run with Wilson leading the Broncos, so you can throw all the other thoughts out the window. Wilson IS our QB through AT LEAST the 2024 season. Thats just the truth.

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    • Old Coyote
      Old Coyote commented
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      We are doomed.

  • #5
    Get the guy a TE. Seattle sucks for taking Fant and then hardly using him.

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    • #6
      Originally posted by Old Coyote View Post
      So basically we'll get "Bench Wilson thread" info but presented as outside opinion.

      I'll say it. Bench that mentally declined fool. Make him be holder and play ST until he retires out of shame.
      Boom.


      your thread took care of these analysis posts. we did use outside opinions in yours.

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      • #7
        After seeing this review and Warners, I think Hackett needs to do mental reminders in critical situations. Basically tell Wilson the read before the play so there is no confusion.

        I remember watching NFL films and Holmgren would try to make it simple for Favre. Sounds silly, but I think Wilson is struggling to fully grasp this playbook.

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        • Old Coyote
          Old Coyote commented
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          Yes. That's it exactly. Plus more: he's struggling to notice basic presnap reads that are there regardless of concept or scheme. He's leading his WRs into safeties instead of away from them. He's missing wide open guys right infront of him and staring down WRs. Those are not scheme learning problems. Those are mental decline problems.

      • #8
        Look, nobody believes Rypien is the answer. There's absolutely no upside to doing anything other than giving Russ the full year to feel his way into a new offense.

        But after watching all of these so far, I'm pretty sold on the fact that I think Hackett's gradually getting some feel, but Russ not as much.

        That said, it seems like other players are also not quite up to speed, so hopefully at least part of this is about time and process.

        Homer's hope still lives! I mean what else do we have to do anyway I guess.

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        • The1percentKid
          The1percentKid commented
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          Rypien is not the answer but he could’ve won that last game IMO. He’s smarter and more accurate than Wilson is. That’s all that was needed to win that game. Rypien IMO doesn’t throw that pass to Gilmore…FG is kicked(the first opportunity not the OT)

      • #9
        Wilson's a film junkie so I'm sure they're reviewing these each week. I didn't realize Hamler was open so often. Really hope they find a way to leverage him Monday night.
        Last edited by Samiwindr; 10-12-2022, 04:13 PM.

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        • #10
          Originally posted by OmegaBronco View Post
          Get the guy a TE. Seattle sucks for taking Fant and then hardly using him.
          Fant is looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. He isn't smart enough or doesn't study enough to be a stud. If he was he would get hurt anyway.

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          • #11
            Does Coyote think Russ fell off a bike and broke his brain? What is this mental decline silliness

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            • Old Coyote
              Old Coyote commented
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              How else do you explain not understanding basic presnap reads or throwing your wide open players into safeties? Or ignoring Hamler and Jeudy and Gordon when they are wide open and he just stares down Sutton? He's slow hitting things he sees too... Why? That's not scheme learning problems. That's "can't think fast enough anymore"

              I'd eat crow willingly and be happy as hell to be wrong

            • Shalowlow
              Shalowlow commented
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              More likely that he was concussed, but I guess we'll see on Monday!

          • #12
            Originally posted by Samiwindr View Post
            Wilson's a film junked so I'm sure they're reviewing these each week.
            That's the scary part to me. The guy is a film junkie, does all these private workouts, and yet the ball is not even being thrown to the right place.

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            • Samiwindr
              Samiwindr commented
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              ok so autocorrect blows. Going to edit my comment now...

          • #13
            Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
            Rypien is not the answer but he could’ve won that last game IMO.
            Towards what end? If Russ doesn't turn a corner, we're effed. Would have to stake a new direction in the offseason.

            If that new direction were Rypien, we'd all (other than maybe new Chargers fans) lose our collective s**t.

            So what purpose is there at all in investing offensive development time in Rypien?

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            • Old Coyote
              Old Coyote commented
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              About the same as investing in Wilson if he can't think... Except the rest of the team won't be throwing helmets and we will actually have a slim chance of Rypien being better than a Seimian. If Wilson's got a sponge brain then there is absolutely no hope keeping him out there.

          • #14
            Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

            Towards what end? If Russ doesn't turn a corner, we're effed. Would have to stake a new direction in the offseason.

            If that new direction were Rypien, we'd all (other than maybe new Chargers fans) lose our collective s**t.

            So what purpose is there at all in investing offensive development time in Rypien?
            There is no new direction. RW is the Broncos QB for at least 3 more years after this year.

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            • #15
              Wilson would be better in a Jake Plummer type attack.

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              • #16
                Russ will go down as the worst trade of all time, he sucks

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                • cutthemdown
                  cutthemdown commented
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                  We need better play calling and a change to the offense.

              • #17
                Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                Towards what end? If Russ doesn't turn a corner, we're effed. Would have to stake a new direction in the offseason.

                If that new direction were Rypien, we'd all (other than maybe new Chargers fans) lose our collective s**t.

                So what purpose is there at all in investing offensive development time in Rypien?
                The drive that ended in the int. If Wilson was truly injured they should’ve never played him in a Thursday game to begin with. They didn’t need great QB play to win that game. The defense was winning it. I don’t think Rypien turns the ball over in that game. This is all what if but clearly Wilson wasn’t effective and was a main reason for the loss. If that’s the shoulder then Rypien should’ve played the one game.

                3-2 is lights out better position than 2-3. Had Wilson sat for the one game IMO they are 3-2.

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                • #18
                  I’m sure I will be in the minority opinion here, but as bad as Wilson has been, I have no desire to see Rypien ever see the field. He’s a practice squad level quarterback and would be the 3rd or 4th option on any other NFL team. He ranks high in intelligence but low in physical ability.

                  I knew if Wilson got hurt or failed, this team would be in a world of hurt. Paton did nothing to fortify the backup quarterback situation. I wrote about it in the offseason.

                  Those wishing to see Rypien are going to be sorely disappointed.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by qbronco View Post
                    I’m sure I will be in the minority opinion here, but as bad as Wilson has been, I have no desire to see Rypien ever see the field. He’s a practice squad level quarterback and would be the 3rd or 4th option on any other NFL team. He ranks high in intelligence but low in physical ability.

                    I knew if Wilson got hurt or failed, this team would be in a world of hurt. Paton did nothing to fortify the backup quarterback situation. I wrote about it in the offseason.

                    Those wishing to see Rypien are going to be sorely disappointed.
                    Could it get worse than what we’ve seen? Russ is a 3 and out machine.. lock and teddy were way better

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by 69bronco View Post

                      Could it get worse than what we’ve seen? Russ is a 3 and out machine.. lock and teddy were way better
                      We’ll find out. Lock and TBW were both horrible, too. This team has been in quarterback purgatory for the past 7 years. I was hoping RW was going to be the answer. Obviously, he is not.

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                      • #21
                        Originally posted by 69bronco View Post

                        Could it get worse than what we’ve seen? Russ is a 3 and out machine.. lock and teddy were way better
                        LOL....i know things are bad right now, but Lock and Teddy are way better than no one.

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                        • #22
                          If the offensive roster were as good as people had claimed, even a weak QB would look okay with decent coaching.

                          I forgot who, but somebody in the media had said this would be the best situation Wilson’s ever been in, in terms of personnel and coaching. I thought it was laughable then, and it looks way more so now.

                          I think it’s clear now that Metcalf and Lockett made Wilson look good. Not the other way around. Look at what Geno’s doing. And he always had a solid if not great running game in Seattle. The OL, while not great, was not as bad as advertised. Plenty of those sacks were on Wilson.

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                          • #23
                            Originally posted by RockyMountainOyster View Post
                            If the offensive roster were as good as people had claimed, even a weak QB would look okay with decent coaching.

                            I forgot who, but somebody in the media had said this would be the best situation Wilson’s ever been in, in terms of personnel and coaching. I thought it was laughable then, and it looks way more so now.

                            I think it’s clear now that Metcalf and Lockett made Wilson look good. Not the other way around. Look at what Geno’s doing. And he always had a solid if not great running game in Seattle. The OL, while not great, was not as bad as advertised. Plenty of those sacks were on Wilson.
                            We would be 4-1 if not for coaching decisions. Coach away from becoming good football team.

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                            • Old Coyote
                              Old Coyote commented
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                              So almost as tall as Wilson.

                              I can almost see it.

                          • #24
                            Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                            3-2 is lights out better position than 2-3
                            1 game better in fact. 😂

                            Anywho, you just completely ignored the whole point which was that eeking out .500-ish seasons with Brett Rypien is not on any franchise's long term checklist.

                            Why anyone would make that their chosen path is anyone's guess.

                            The choice is ultimately Russell Wilson or someone new. Rypien doesn't factor in at all.

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                            • #25
                              Originally posted by Mozzafiato View Post

                              There is no new direction. RW is the Broncos QB for at least 3 more years after this year.
                              Most likely.

                              On the roster at the very least. But if he completely collapses this year, they'll look at drafting. Not likely next year but certainly the year after.

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