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  • Bench RW3, he's mentally declined

    Go back and look at film.
    RW3 had rub routes that were part of the scheme and since they are based on timing the routes have to be in a certain progression. He is always looking the wrong way.

    Hackett had Hamler schemed open off a rub. RW3 only needed to catch the hike turn and hit him for 1st down.

    He's late throwing it. Is lost...
    He sucks...
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    Last edited by Old Coyote; 10-08-2022, 02:26 AM.

  • #2
    We all know the Broncos are struggling offensively. Why are they struggling? Is it about their quarterback? Or some other issues they have? Time for a specia...

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    • Old Coyote
      Old Coyote commented
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      Yep. Exactly what I saw looking at film.

      The plays were there.

      One play Jeudy was standing looking back like WTF?
      At the moment they played it off like he was protesting to get a penalty. But he was looking right at Wilson because Wilson led him up field into the DB instead of sideways where he was open.

      There is another where Sutton just looks at him and shakes his head. And there is one where Gordon goes up to Wilson after he ****ed up again and Gordon says "What was that Shit?" And just mad dogs him... Not to mention the Hamler helmet throw.

      RW3 is ****ing lost.
      Last edited by Old Coyote; 10-08-2022, 03:28 AM.

  • #3
    With what they gave up for him there’s no way they’re benching him.

    He just needs to play a lot better, that’s all there is to it. Russ is a 10 year vet who’s won a Super Bowl, yet he’s missing throws an undrafted rookie would make.

    1TD… at any point during the game on Thursday and they would’ve won the game… one measly TD. We’re not asking a lot, just make a few plays and score some points, just figure it out.

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    • Old Coyote
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      I don't believe he can process fast enough anymore nor can his brain remember the progressions that any QB should see. (This is not a scheme thing, this is a QB thing... And he is lost.)

  • #4
    He needs to get his head out of his ass. He is not the problem with the Offense right now but he is one of them.

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    • #5
      Originally posted by listopencil View Post
      He needs to get his head out of his ass. He is not the problem with the Offense right now but he is one of them.
      After the last game I leaning toward him biggest problem on the offense. Not knowing the playbook and locking into his read presnap.

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      • #6
        As more games have unfolded I’m beginning to suspect more and more that Wilson’s play is one of the biggest issues if not the primary one at the moment. I’m puzzled by it, but he does look entirely lost and completely shook. Lack of field awareness, bad reads, processing like Drew Lock, late and inaccurate throws, bizarre footwork at times. I’m as confused as he looks at times.

        My impression is that both he and Hackett may have been “traumatized” by how things went in Seattle and they’ve both lost all confidence in what they’re doing. Things have just snowballed from there. I’m wondering if they’re having trouble trying to figure out how to work with one another. That’s where the two of them getting experience together during preseason might’ve been helpful. There wasn’t any trouble getting plays called during preseason and things seemed to operate just fine, there were no indications that Hackett couldn’t manage a game. What caused the nosedive once the regular season started? It could’ve been a perfect storm with the atmosphere and noise in Seattle, lack of real-game communication reps between the two, and maybe now calling three plays at a time for Russ to choose from (as reported and absurd if true).

        Hackett said they spent the entire offseason together developing the offense and tailoring it to what Wilson likes. He said his playcalling in situations would be “suggestive” for Russ, but Wilson would have the autonomy within the offense to have at it. So, either he’s a complete and utter liar or what we’re seeing on offense is a lot of what Wilson wanted to try and transition to. I’d find it surprising to learn that this affable, rookie coach is somehow imposing his will on Russell (square peg, round hole and all that). Especially on a QB that has been given the keys to the kingdom here.

        At this point, given both of their personalities, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re struggling to figure out how to move forward together. I don’t know who’s in control at this point and neither one of them seems the guy that’s going to take charge and maybe risk offending the other. That fourth down huddle between the two of them during OT, I imagine the exchange went something like this:

        “What do you like here? What do you want to run?”
        “I don’t know, what do you think?”
        “I don’t know, what do you think?”

        You can attribute those back-and-forth quotes to either of them, it’s all relative.

        I don’t know if things could’ve gone any worse thus far, and the fact that everything is under such scrutiny with such high expectations, all while mostly playing out on national TV, I’m not sure if they can recover. I think Hackett’s confidence has been destroyed. During the press conference he stated that “they got the go ahead” to go for it on fourth down in OT. WTF? It seems like he’s been emasculated as the head coach.

        Tough situation all around, but I don’t think Russ is pulling his weight at this point. He needs to play infinitely better. I don’t know if he’s capable at this point based on what we’ve seen. Time will tell. The plays are there to be made, they’re all over the place. Regardless of whose idea the fourth down call was, it was there to be had, QB just didn’t execute.
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        Last edited by Ed Reed; 10-08-2022, 09:50 AM.

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        • #7
          He needs to drop the tag line, marketing stuff, and get back to football. That's what really sells. Winning football.
          Last edited by OmegaBronco; 10-08-2022, 05:12 PM.

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          • #8
            Originally posted by elsid13 View Post

            After the last game I leaning toward him biggest problem on the offense. Not knowing the playbook and locking into his read presnap.
            It's not like he has been screwing up every time he drops back. He has made plays. But he has also missed plays, and the ones he missed in this last game were very, very obvious and very, very dramatic. Similar to Gordon's fumbles. The team also needs substantially better play from the O-Line. Way too many plays with defenders right on top of Wilson almost immediately after the snap. That's going to be tough because we just lost Bolles for the year. You can then go down the line after that. Receivers (WR/TE/RB) with poor effort running the routes or muffing the catches, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Back to the run game with the O-Line not run blocking well. And on, and on, and on...

            What this looks like is a poorly coached Offense that is only successful in streaks when they have consecutive plays where no one ****s up quite enough to ruin things. Then it's a drop or a penalty or a missed read or a poor route and they're punting again.

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Ed Reed View Post
              During the press conference he stated that “they got the go ahead” to go for it on fourth down in OT. WTF? It seems like he’s been emasculated as the head coach.
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              I'm assuming that means that Jerry Rosburg gave him the thumbs up.

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              • #10
                Originally posted by listopencil View Post

                I'm assuming that means that Jerry Rosburg gave him the thumbs up.
                Yes, clearly, but there's a difference between having an advisor and deferring to them. He made it sound like the decision wasn't his to be made and they wait to hear from above. I don't know what the conversation was like between him and Paton prior to hiring Jerry, but I could see how this could affect a person's confidence in their role. Is he just a glorified OC now? And who even knows about that dynamic with Russ in the kitchen?

                I just feel like he's in a tough spot, and a lot of it may be of his own doing by being unprepared for the moment. But I get the sense there are confidence issues all around now after five games.

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                • Yerner
                  Yerner commented
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                  harbaugh has the same type set up in baltimore.

                • Ed Reed
                  Ed Reed commented
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                  Cool. Issues resolved.

              • #11
                What’s wrong with Russell Wilson?

                https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...sell-wilson-2/

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                • Mozzafiato
                  Mozzafiato commented
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                  ad hominem

                • The1percentKid
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                  Attack the reporter cause you can’t attack the report. Nothing in that article is wrong. Nothing. So you go after the messenger. Classic move when you’ve lost.

                • peacepipe
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                  He isn’t wrong.

              • #12
                I said he can’t see the field. His vision is toast. So many plays he just doesn’t see a wide open Jeudy or Hamler. Remember all those debates in the offseason about why he doesn’t attack the middle? We’re literally seeing it. The guy just sucks. He’s a bottom tier QB at this point in his career. Much like we’ve seen many QBs in the past who were once good, and dropped off a cliff.


                Wilson at 33 is trash. Wilson at 36? Haha he won’t even make it that far.

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                • Mozzafiato
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                  Yeah, attacking the middle of the field has always been a weak spot for him.

              • #13
                Originally posted by Ed Reed View Post

                Yes, clearly, but there's a difference between having an advisor and deferring to them. He made it sound like the decision wasn't his to be made and they wait to hear from above. I don't know what the conversation was like between him and Paton prior to hiring Jerry, but I could see how this could affect a person's confidence in their role. Is he just a glorified OC now? And who even knows about that dynamic with Russ in the kitchen?

                I just feel like he's in a tough spot, and a lot of it may be of his own doing by being unprepared for the moment. But I get the sense there are confidence issues all around now after five games.
                When he was hired, Hackett said that he'd have guys around him to reign him in. That he'd get crazy ideas and he'd be leaning on his staff to talk him down from making goofy decisions. My take is that Rosburg is that guy because no one on Hackett's staff has the balls or the brains to reign him in when he gets goofy.

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                • #14
                  Originally posted by Mozzafiato View Post
                  What’s wrong with Russell Wilson?

                  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...sell-wilson-2/
                  Read the comments in that article by fans who aren’t ****ing stupid and blinded by a uniform.


                  “As a 49er fan I’ve been saying that Wilson’s pocket elusiveness that made him a nightmare to defend is largely gone for the last 2-3 years. Early in his career I would dread when the 49ers played Seattle because he made life hell for the defense. Now that he’s not elusive in the pocket the fear of playing against him his gone. He’s definitely better than he’s shown but he’ll never be a top level QB again.”


                  Rypien could’ve easily walked one yard on that 4th and 1.



                  see a trend here? Every week the “negative nancies” are on the offensive in rhetoric. And every week the homers are in defense mode……


                  that paints a picture doesn’t it..

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                  • #15
                    Nobody saw this coming, but I still find it hard to believe that these 5 games are the new Russ going forward for the rest of his career. He had 10 years of greatness in Seattle even at the end once he got over his fractured finger. He had 7 TDs in his last two Seattle games just 10 months ago. Has he really mentally declined in such a short period of time? He was still playing great at the end of last season. Over his last 7 Seattle games, he was ranked 3rd in TD-INT ratio, 5th in passer rating, and 8th in yards per pass, and that was his worst year due to rushing back from injury. It just doesn't make sense.

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                    • The1percentKid
                      The1percentKid commented
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                      A few posters hated the idea of Wilson back when the trade happened. Not many but a few called out Paton for being an idiot.

                    • Ark
                      Ark commented
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                      I saw a few comments that we gave up too much, but that's a far cry from Russ being a bottom 5 QB like he's been in Denver so far.

                    • peacepipe
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                      I saw it coming

                  • #16
                    Panthers fans had the same conversations about Newton….

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                    • #17
                      He ain't cooking anything but TV dinners.

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                    • #18
                      I don’t think Wilson is done. I do think he has problems with the middle of the field. It is understandable given his size and the fact that his vision to that part is the field is often obscured. Add in constant pressure up the middle and it is pretty hopeless up the middle.

                      Roll him out, give him simple reads on half the field and let him use his ability to throw on the run or pick up yards with his own feet. This will also protect our porous OL.

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                      • #19
                        Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                        Panthers fans had the same conversations about Newton….
                        Newton was never anywhere close to the level of Wilson though. Newton’s career comp % is under 60% which simply never works well in the NFL. He had a great season in 2015, then returned to his normal self, until injuries ultimately caught up with him by 2019.

                        Less than 24 months ago, Wilson threw 40 TDs, now he’s playing as bad as a practice squad QB.

                        He’s made a handful of plays, like the shovel pass in the 49ers game, the ability is still there. He and the goober coach need to quit effing around and figure it out.

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                        • Mozzafiato
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                          Yup, Newton was more a product of his mobility and the way he impacted the running game than he was about being a passer. It wasn't sustainable. I a similar (but also very different) way, I fell somewhat the same about Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts.

                      • #20
                        I’m over him on so many levels. Never liked his stupid catch phrases and cheesy crap like that. Can’t stand that he wears his ridiculous “R” hat, instead of Bronco gear. I don’t know if he has always been like that but his entire Shtick is old and tired. He’s obviously lost a step and therefore a great deal of what made him great was his mobility. Fact is he is an average, at best, pocket quarterback who no longer possess his mobility or ability to hit the deep pass. This will go down as the worst trade or biggest fleecing, depending on the side your on, in NFL history. Put in Rypien.

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                        • #21
                          It's not his vision, or his height affecting his vision, it's his brain. He's making poor decisions and poor throws that are killing good plays that Hackett is calling.

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                          • Old Coyote
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                            Yes.

                            That's what I said.

                            He's ****ing up mentally.

                            And it's not scheme. Any QB should see his progressions based on the D and play called.

                            It's like watching the beginning of alsheimers

                          • listopencil
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                            Just going by what I saw in the preseason...Rypien comes in and wins that game easily for us.

                        • #22
                          Originally posted by listopencil View Post
                          He needs to get his head out of his ass. He is not the problem with the Offense right now but he is one of them.
                          He’s the main problem! I know his offensive line sucks and they are grossly overrated however Russ doesn’t want to get hit anymore, They need to correct that. Also they need to get rid of his ****ing personal quarterbacks coach, Jake Heaps!

                          They are paying him way too much money and gave up way too much to acquire him for him to come in here with his own quarterbacks coach.

                          He also needs to stop spending so much time putting his 15 page report together and start studying the damn game plan.

                          Do we have to bring Gary Kubiak in here to clean house and get rid of Jake Heaps and kick Russ out of his personal office!

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                          • #23
                            Wilson has always been a qb who needed to see the plays develop then scramble and make the throw. He will never be a pocket passer who has the mental capacity to audible to a different play because he recognized something pre snap.

                            I think the smart play would’ve been to get a guy in here like Brian schottenheimer who is familiar with is strengths and capitalize on them. Coach Hack is just winging it and it’s obvious. This is a 6 win team, tops. 0-6 in the division.

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                            • #24
                              Originally posted by Ark View Post
                              Nobody saw this coming, but I still find it hard to believe that these 5 games are the new Russ going forward for the rest of his career. He had 10 years of greatness in Seattle even at the end once he got over his fractured finger. He had 7 TDs in his last two Seattle games just 10 months ago. Has he really mentally declined in such a short period of time? He was still playing great at the end of last season. Over his last 7 Seattle games, he was ranked 3rd in TD-INT ratio, 5th in passer rating, and 8th in yards per pass, and that was his worst year due to rushing back from injury. It just doesn't make sense.
                              100% agree. I didn't think he'd be "great" for us but I thought he'd be at least "good". And I still think he's better than we've seen so far. That shoulder injury from the previous week has to be at least part of the reason he was was terrible on Thursday.

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                              • #25
                                Originally posted by TD30 View Post
                                I’m over him on so many levels. Never liked his stupid catch phrases and cheesy crap like that. Can’t stand that he wears his ridiculous “R” hat, instead of Bronco gear. I don’t know if he has always been like that but his entire Shtick is old and tired. He’s obviously lost a step and therefore a great deal of what made him great was his mobility. Fact is he is an average, at best, pocket quarterback who no longer possess his mobility or ability to hit the deep pass. This will go down as the worst trade or biggest fleecing, depending on the side your on, in NFL history. Put in Rypien.
                                With all the POS players in NFL like Tyreek Hill, who’ve done completely awful things, you call out Wilson for wearing a hat with a freakin’ “R”??

                                How dare he wear a hat with a R! We should all hate him….

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                                • GoneFishin'
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                                  Fans crack me up, man
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