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  • 3 for 14 in red zone

    Something has to change here - we are historically bad at scoring TD's and competing for the worst offensive struggles in NFL history (KC Chiefs in 2012 who only won 2 games). Are there any gurus in the red zone that are on OH that can break down 3 of 14? All three losses can be resolved by keying in on this one area of the gameplay.

    We have turned the ball over 4 times inside the 10.Click image for larger version

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    Last edited by Vegas_Bronco; 10-07-2022, 08:07 AM.

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    Won’t change until hackett is fired.


    he’s regressing the team each week.

    any other HC can see Wilson is a joke in the redzone. Yet they keep calling plays for him to throw ints or badly thrown incompletes.




    there’s no way Rypien loses that game.

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    • #3
      I mean I know I'm armchairing here, but to me you keep Russ under center, Beck at FB and run to whatever side Tomlinson is on. Over and over. And it'll be even more effective once we have Meinerz or Compton at RG. Once you've fed the D that a few times, boom play action bootleg and Russ is in his comfort zone and not looking like he's playing his first game ever. Hackett insists on overcomplicating this shit.

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      • #4
        It’s a combination of a bunch of things

        two fumbles by goal line
        interceptions
        receivers and tight ends not able to toe tap side line catches
        drops
        Bad play calls

        scared mentality. Closer they get to end zone worse they play. Because they think about it too much

        it’s pathetic really

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The1percentKid
          Won’t change until hackett is fired.


          he’s regressing the team each week.

          any other HC can see Wilson is a joke in the redzone. Yet they keep calling plays for him to throw ints or badly thrown incompletes.




          there’s no way Rypien loses that game.
          Last OT Drive: So, we were in hurry-up offense which could have caught them off-guard on 4th and 2, but then Wilson takes F-ing forever to get the snap off giving Colts time for a TO. We then call a TO and Russell and Hackett discuss the 4th and game over play. Hackett's conversation was allowing Russ to choose the play. He specifically asked him during the TO whether he felt they should run or pass (Hackett is not a HC). Russ goes out and misses Hamler, holding on to the ball way too long just like ARodgers did prior to Hackett getting to Green Bay. Now, ARodgers did exactly what Russ is doing, but then he works with Hackett and gets his release down to under 2.7 seconds and goes MVP. Russ is doing the exact same thing Rodgers was doing and that is trying to play a long ball game when the plays ARE NOT designed for a 3-4 second hold. I think Russ is 100% responsible for the red zone offense performance (other than the 2 fumbles by the RBs). I don't get why Hackett cant get with Russ like he did with Rodgers and get that release down on time.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Vegas_Bronco

            Last OT Drive: So, we were in hurry-up offense which could have caught them off-guard on 4th and 2, but then Wilson takes F-ing forever to get the snap off giving Colts time for a TO. We then call a TO and Russell and Hackett discuss the 4th and game over play. Hackett's conversation was allowing Russ to choose the play. He specifically asked him during the TO whether he felt they should run or pass (Hackett is not a HC). Russ goes out and misses Hamler, holding on to the ball way too long just like ARodgers did prior to Hackett getting to Green Bay. Rodgers gets his release down to under 2.7 seconds and goes MVP. Russ is doing the exact same thing Rodgers was doing and that is trying to play a long ball game when the plays ARE NOT designed for a 3-4 second hold. I think Russ is 100% responsible for the red zone offense performance (other than the 2 fumbles by the RBs). I don't get why Hackett cant get with Russ like he did with Rodgers and get that release down on time.
            How about 3rd and 4 before OT.. Never understood why wilson threw the ball.
            If it's andy reid or any other competent coach, they will just run the ball.

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            • #7
              Imagine how Seattle fans felt when Wilson threw that goaline in the SB.

              the guy has always sucked on a short field. He just covered it up by playing well here and there.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Agent Zero
                It’s a combination of a bunch of things

                two fumbles by goal line
                interceptions
                receivers and tight ends not able to toe tap side line catches
                drops
                Bad play calls

                scared mentality. Closer they get to end zone worse they play. Because they think about it too much

                it’s pathetic really
                describe 'scared mentality' - confidence in teammates or fear of making mistake or lack of confidence in play calling?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Vegas_Bronco

                  Last OT Drive: So, we were in hurry-up offense which could have caught them off-guard on 4th and 2, but then Wilson takes F-ing forever to get the snap off giving Colts time for a TO. We then call a TO and Russell and Hackett discuss the 4th and game over play. Hackett's conversation was allowing Russ to choose the play. He specifically asked him during the TO whether he felt they should run or pass (Hackett is not a HC). Russ goes out and misses Hamler, holding on to the ball way too long just like ARodgers did prior to Hackett getting to Green Bay. Now, ARodgers did exactly what Russ is doing, but then he works with Hackett and gets his release down to under 2.7 seconds and goes MVP. Russ is doing the exact same thing Rodgers was doing and that is trying to play a long ball game when the plays ARE NOT designed for a 3-4 second hold. I think Russ is 100% responsible for the red zone offense performance (other than the 2 fumbles by the RBs). I don't get why Hackett cant get with Russ like he did with Rodgers and get that release down on time.
                  So knowing that, the HC STILL puts Russ in those situations.

                  sherman said it best. You run the ball on both situations.

                  take the ball out of Russ hands.

                  that’s admitting he sucks though. Hackett would rather force Russell with plays that are doomed cause he can execute them, because they invested too much into him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The1percentKid

                    So knowing that, the HC STILL puts Russ in those situations.

                    sherman said it best. You run the ball on both situations.

                    take the ball out of Russ hands.

                    that’s admitting he sucks though. Hackett would rather force Russell with plays that are doomed cause he can execute them, because they invested too much into him.
                    Eh, we complained about not putting it in Russ's hands in week 1 (vs FG), now we claim we should take it out and run it?

                    I don't believe these guys believe in the system or in Russ. Honestly, when he went to the tent for concussion protocol, I knew Ryp could have won that game...so I agree with you. What I don't see is a solution for the complete breakdown inside the red zone whether it's dropped passes, fumbles or pics.

                    I'm not sure why our WR's are running routes in the same exact location at the 2.5-3.0 second mark in the play. It's happening inside the red zone all the time...I don't get the play calling for passing game inside the red. Also, I do think you trade now for a decent TE or FB. Go I formation for Russ and get a new concept for inside the 10.
                    Last edited by Vegas_Bronco; 10-07-2022, 08:32 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Gross incompetence on all levels

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Vegas_Bronco

                        describe 'scared mentality' - confidence in teammates or fear of making mistake or lack of confidence in play calling?
                        In my opinion it’s fear of making mistakes. And the pressure. They know everyone talks about their red zone problems. We have been a laughing stock since fumbling the game away vs Seahawks

                        so far pressure has bursted the pipes

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