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  • Time for some positivity!

    I am pretty disappointed with what I've seen the first two games. Penalties. Lack of accountability and discipline. Lack of coaching awareness and clock management. You're not alone. But, let me put a little twist on this...

    1. The play calling has actually been pretty damn good. Between the 20's we move the ball better than we have in many years. Law of averages say we won't stay in the teens scoring much longer. Good Segway to point #2...

    2. ohh for 6 on redbone opportunities. Talk about snake bit. TD to Sutton overturned toe on the line. TD to Okueweguban toe on the line. TD to Beck (I think- the shovel pass) - Illegal motion on Sutton. Williams fumble (first down). Gordon Fumble (2nd down). We convert on half of those and all of the sudden we are talking about a team that is scoring 23-27 points per game. Disappointed in Hackett so far for various reasons but I do trust he will put in the work to get this figured out.

    3. Defense has been really good. Two broken play TDs vs Seattle which highlighted our needs at MLB. But that was cleaned up pretty good vs the Texans. Randy Gregory is a stud. DJ Jones as well. Much bigger test vs the Niners offense coming up. Kittle could light us up but so far, our defense has been a bright spot.

    4. Youth - Surtain, Sterns, Montrell, Mathis, Meinerz... our first and second year players have been holding their own. I realize Surtain and Meinerz are dealing with injuries but they are definitely bright spots on this team.

    5. We are 1-1 while figuring things out. There is a lot of newness to this team. Coach/Playbook and QB are going to take a little bit of time to gel. That's not to say that I am not frustrated or a little bit worried about some of the things I am seeing but I also know first hand how difficult it is to get everyone in sync. As a coach myself (different sport) I know how easily things can break down. One person out of position and the play is dead. These are growing pains that will be resolved by mid-season. We just need to hold the line until they get ironed out. 8 games in, if we can be 4-4 or better we will be in the playoff hunt!


    So there you go... a handful of things that I think most would agree have been glimpses of the promise this team actually has within them!

  • #2
    Denver's offense has moved the ball reasonably well agasint what are almost certainly two bottom 5 teams in the leauge. Neither team has anyone that is considered even a mediocre pass rusher or premiere defender at any position.

    Part of any scenario where Denver makes the playoffs almost certainly would have Denver being 2-0 in these first 2 games, having been given a shot to get their sea legs while playing nobodies.

    On the flip side, Denver's defense has played well....against teams most defenses should play well against.

    Russel Wilson is an improvement clearly, over what you've had since 2015 ended....but he's not at all looking like a 250 million QB.

    I think Denver is going to lose to the niners....and I'm thinking that your vacation to London is now a tough game. Anyhow...even if Denver starts to play better and puts some W's on the board...can Hackett survice an 8 win year? ...when the team won 7 last year with what everyone knows was worse QBs.

    Think about that...trading the picks, the players, and spending 250 million on a QB.....and you get a ONE GAME IMPROVMENT? ....like a poltical poll, that one game is within the margin of error. You may well have won 8 games with Drew Lock at QB given a lucky bounce here or there.

    This will all get better when Dan Quinn is the coach next year.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zerovoltz View Post
      Denver's offense has moved the ball reasonably well agasint what are almost certainly two bottom 5 teams in the leauge. Neither team has anyone that is considered even a mediocre pass rusher or premiere defender at any position.

      Part of any scenario where Denver makes the playoffs almost certainly would have Denver being 2-0 in these first 2 games, having been given a shot to get their sea legs while playing nobodies.

      On the flip side, Denver's defense has played well....against teams most defenses should play well against.

      Russel Wilson is an improvement clearly, over what you've had since 2015 ended....but he's not at all looking like a 250 million QB.

      I think Denver is going to lose to the niners....and I'm thinking that your vacation to London is now a tough game. Anyhow...even if Denver starts to play better and puts some W's on the board...can Hackett survice an 8 win year? ...when the team won 7 last year with what everyone knows was worse QBs.

      Think about that...trading the picks, the players, and spending 250 million on a QB.....and you get a ONE GAME IMPROVMENT? ....like a poltical poll, that one game is within the margin of error. You may well have won 8 games with Drew Lock at QB given a lucky bounce here or there.

      This will all get better when Dan Quinn is the coach next year.
      It feels a bit like last years start, but are 1-1 instead of 2-0.

      Giants, Jax and maybe Jets to start, then, they played the good teams.

      This team will really miss Tim Patrick. That was a devastating injury…

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      • #4
        Moving the ball between the 20s reminds me very much of Kyle Orton in 2009 and a bit like Cutler in 2008. Doesn't mean all that much.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Midnightorange View Post
          Moving the ball between the 20s reminds me very much of Kyle Orton in 2009 and a bit like Cutler in 2008. Doesn't mean all that much.
          Nah. We're good getting down to even the goal line before our staff starts to over-think itself. I think new coaches often like to get credit for cool playcalling on scores which leads to some of this.

          Good coaches figure out you just do what works down there. The stakes are too high and the field too condensed to get cute.

          I think they'll figure it out.

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          • 76er
            76er commented
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            How is the staff over thinking? Vs Seattle - Gordon fumbled at the 1. Williams fumbled at the 1. Great play call to Beck on the inside shovel pass (Andy Reid type play), scores a TD but Sutton (who isn't even involved in the play lines up wrong) is called for a penalty. Then two TDs that are not due to a toenail being over the line. That is 5 plays that are easily fixed. And, again, if we score on half of those... this team is avg 24-27 points per game instead of 16. The sky ain't falling here.

        • #6
          Originally posted by B-Large View Post

          It feels a bit like last years start, but are 1-1 instead of 2-0.

          Giants, Jax and maybe Jets to start, then, they played the good teams.

          This team will really miss Tim Patrick. That was a devastating injury…
          Except they went 3-0 and handled each of those teams with ease.

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          • #7
            Originally posted by RockyMountainOyster View Post

            Except they went 3-0 and handled each of those teams with ease.
            You do realize how meaningless using the year before is right? Bengals lost to some really shitty teams last year several times. Bears, Jets etc. They struggled in every playoff game in reality. They seemed to handle the greatest team ever KC. Just think if Tannehill didn't play so bad KC could have avoided them.

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            • #8
              Nothing wrong with being positive, but you have to consider all factors too.

              They have moved the ball between the 20s, but any halfway decent offense should do this vs the Seahawks and Texans. Just as any halfway decent defense should limit their offenses.

              Don’t forget that the Colts racked up 517 yds vs Houston on the road.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by DD55 View Post

                You do realize how meaningless using the year before is right? Bengals lost to some really shitty teams last year several times. Bears, Jets etc. They struggled in every playoff game in reality. They seemed to handle the greatest team ever KC. Just think if Tannehill didn't play so bad KC could have avoided them.
                He said it felt like last year’s start. I’m pointing out that last year clearly started better.

                The Bengals were really young and got better and better. Also needed plenty of luck down the stretch. And do you really think Denver’s talent/coaching measures up to the Bengals?

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by RockyMountainOyster View Post

                  He said it felt like last year’s start. I’m pointing out that last year clearly started better.

                  The Bengals were really young and got better and better. Also needed plenty of luck down the stretch. And do you really think Denver’s talent/coaching measures up to the Bengals?
                  I am not comparing the 2 just pointing out that early season or previous season performance doesn't mean squat.

                  It also funny how you acknowledge a team might need some time to gel unless it is the Broncos.

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                  • #11
                    We are so close to putting 30 on the board. We have been inches away from 6 TD's this year. Just some bad luck. We have the #9 D and the #13 O.

                    Wilson and JJ have clicked.

                    Wilson and Sutton clicked last game .

                    He's been good with the TE for the most part , however I will note the lack of Albert O. That's been a big surprise.

                    JW will take over on running and I believe he will at least get most of the downhill numbers .,

                    D clicked halfway through the first game and are only getting better.

                    Darby has been way way better then I thought.

                    The depth at CB proved itself when PS2 got hurt and our rookie Mathis went in and we didn't miss a beat.

                    Getting Red beard back this week will be huge.

                    Gregory is really starting to step up. Him and Chubb could do damage this year.

                    The D line is getting constant pressure without Blitzing. This is nice.

                    The D is also hitting way harder then last year. I love this. They had Mill shook by the end of the game and it showed.

                    Speaking of Hard Hitting. JW has sent 3 people out of the game with clean hits. I wouldn't want to tackle that guy.

                    Bottom line once everything clicks . Our D should hold most teams under 20 points and our O should average 28 points a game.



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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by DD55 View Post

                      I am not comparing the 2 just pointing out that early season or previous season performance doesn't mean squat.

                      It also funny how you acknowledge a team might need some time to gel unless it is the Broncos.
                      I've never said teams don't need time to gel. I've said it's hilarious that people are pulling that card while still predicting 13 win seasons, a blowout of SF and other nonsense. I guess they're going to gel overnight and be an unstoppable force this week? And Hackett's going to become competent overnight too?

                      I should be saying this to you. You've determined that Smith-Schuster is a bust for the Chiefs after one game with limited production, despite a very solid first game. You've also already determined that the AFC West is "really" overrated, based largely on games played vs each other in the first two weeks. Go figure, eh?

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                      • 76er
                        76er commented
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                        Where do you see 13-3 or blowout predictions? I maintain that this team is still in the gelling process, especially after not using the preseason wisely. 4-4 at the midway point would be great. Anything better than that and we will be a playoff team.

                    • #13
                      I think PSII is scheduled to practice today. Huge positive if he can play on Sunday night

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                          Nah. We're good getting down to even the goal line before our staff starts to over-think itself. I think new coaches often like to get credit for cool playcalling on scores which leads to some of this.

                          Good coaches figure out you just do what works down there. The stakes are too high and the field too condensed to get cute.

                          I think they'll figure it out.
                          I'm sorry but from the 1 line Wilson up under center and QB sneak. At least try it.

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                          • #16
                            Originally posted by quoydogs View Post
                            We are so close to putting 30 on the board. We have been inches away from 6 TD's this year. Just some bad luck. We have the #9 D and the #13 O.
                            How many teams wouldn't have decent numbers vs those two opponents?

                            Good/great teams overcome mistakes and bad luck. The Bills turned it over 4 times in game one and still beat the reigning champs by 3 TDs on the road.

                            It's interesting...KC's D last year held three straight opponents to 9 points, including the #1 offense and #11 offense. They allowed 16 ppg over the second half of the season, which I think was #1 in the NFL or close to it. Yet everyone in your fanbase still proclaimed it to be a garbage unit. Funny how that works.

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                            • #17
                              Originally posted by RockyMountainOyster View Post

                              I've never said teams don't need time to gel. I've said it's hilarious that people are pulling that card while still predicting 13 win seasons, a blowout of SF and other nonsense. I guess they're going to gel overnight and be an unstoppable force this week? And Hackett's going to become competent overnight too?

                              I should be saying this to you. You've determined that Smith-Schuster is a bust for the Chiefs after one game with limited production, despite a very solid first game. You've also already determined that the AFC West is "really" overrated, based largely on games played vs each other in the first two weeks. Go figure, eh?
                              I called JUJU as an inefficient WR long before week 1. He has a body of work. Yes the AFCW was is overrated to the best division ever predictions. Just like basing a schedule difficultly off of previous year win percentages. It is never as easy or as hard as initially thought.

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                              • #18
                                Originally posted by ceh View Post

                                I'm sorry but from the 1 line Wilson up under center and QB sneak. At least try it.
                                Right...

                                Rolleyes whenever I see shotgun down there. If you really want to play creative with shotgun down there, they should go 4-5 wide.

                                But really just give JW the rock from inside the 1.

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                                • 76er
                                  76er commented
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                                  I'd be good with a Wilson sneak from the 1. That said, after week one and the fumbles from Gordon and Williams... the shotgun plays were a clear shot across the bow of both RBs letting them know that the trust has been knocked down a notch after their fumbles. They got the message, I guarantee it!

                              • #19
                                Originally posted by DD55 View Post

                                I called JUJU as an inefficient WR long before week 1. He has a body of work. Yes the AFCW was is overrated to the best division ever predictions. Just like basing a schedule difficultly off of previous year win percentages. It is never as easy or as hard as initially thought.
                                Ah, so the AFC West gets a grade of "way overrated" after two weeks, but the Broncos' grade is "Incomplete--need time to gel." Seems pretty objective.

                                What exactly are you basing this on, anyway? The Raiders choking away one game vs AZ? Such a ridiculous take.

                                Smith-Schuster has a body of work, yeah. And he produced big time when he was in a good situation, and was average/mediocre when he was in a predictable offense with poor QB play. If you hold Denver's receivers/TEs to the same standard, they're all scrubs. Period.



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                                • #20
                                  LOL, pretty funny stuff. Someone makes a thread specifically for positive remarks and the usual shitbirds rush in to clutter it up. Must have hit a nerve or something.

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                                  • SonsOfMileHigh
                                    SonsOfMileHigh commented
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                                    Yeah I was thinking that same thing

                                • #21
                                  Well we all know KC fan suck ass and there board is so bad they have to come onto ours.

                                  There is just as many positives as negatives, it's just what you choose to pay attention too. If I were Prozac or a company like them. I would be on the phone with Dom to gets some adds running though. They could make a mint off this board.

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                                  • #22
                                    Originally posted by quoydogs View Post
                                    Well we all know KC fan suck ass and there board is so bad they have to come onto ours.
                                    This is such a dumb and overplayed comment. There are way more Broncos fans at Chiefs Planet than KC fans here. Some that post all day long every day.

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                                    • The1percentKid
                                      The1percentKid commented
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                                      There’s more Broncos fans who post about football on the chiefs site than here. This isn’t a football forum it’s a politics forum that has football as an alternative to talk about. Proof is the thousands of more views/posts/threads that stack up in the PR than on the football related threads.

                                    • B-Large
                                      B-Large commented
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                                      There hasn’t been much to discuss about the Broncos the last 6 seasons. The start to this one has been, well, you’ve seen it.

                                  • #23
                                    Originally posted by quoydogs View Post
                                    We are so close to putting 30 on the board. We have been inches away from 6 TD's this year. Just some bad luck. We have the #9 D and the #13 O.

                                    Wilson and JJ have clicked.

                                    Wilson and Sutton clicked last game .

                                    He's been good with the TE for the most part , however I will note the lack of Albert O. That's been a big surprise.

                                    JW will take over on running and I believe he will at least get most of the downhill numbers .,

                                    D clicked halfway through the first game and are only getting better.

                                    Darby has been way way better then I thought.

                                    The depth at CB proved itself when PS2 got hurt and our rookie Mathis went in and we didn't miss a beat.

                                    Getting Red beard back this week will be huge.

                                    Gregory is really starting to step up. Him and Chubb could do damage this year.

                                    The D line is getting constant pressure without Blitzing. This is nice.

                                    The D is also hitting way harder then last year. I love this. They had Mill shook by the end of the game and it showed.

                                    Speaking of Hard Hitting. JW has sent 3 people out of the game with clean hits. I wouldn't want to tackle that guy.

                                    Bottom line once everything clicks . Our D should hold most teams under 20 points and our O should average 28 points a game.


                                    I'm a stupid homer so I'm actually looking forward to Sunday Night.

                                    They haven't played poorly but they also haven't put everything together yet and there is a lot of good here.

                                    I'm really hoping that the team will play up to the competition. They've been hearing all of the criticism of their coach. And I think there is some good will there because even though I'm not a fan of his personality (for coaching at least) Hackett does seem like a nice, genuine guy that the players actually like and respect so I am hoping they are sick of the national media narrative.

                                    They punch the 9ers in the mouth on SNF and all of a sudden they are Super Bowl favorites again.

                                    At least we can get excited about every game again!

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                                    • #24
                                      Originally posted by 76er View Post
                                      How is the staff over thinking? Vs Seattle - Gordon fumbled at the 1. Williams fumbled at the 1. Great play call to Beck on the inside shovel pass (Andy Reid type play), scores a TD but Sutton (who isn't even involved in the play lines up wrong) is called for a penalty. Then two TDs that are not due to a toenail being over the line. That is 5 plays that are easily fixed. And, again, if we score on half of those... this team is avg 24-27 points per game instead of 16. The sky ain't falling here.
                                      Williams fumbled out of a shotgun set where the line was confused because the original call was a pass. From the literal 6-inch line.

                                      Doesn't/shouldn't have to be that hard.

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                                      • 76er
                                        76er commented
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                                        Again, how is that overthinking? Attempting a run out of a shotgun set at the goal line is not unusual. Have you watched many Packers games lately?

                                    • #25
                                      Originally posted by RockyMountainOyster View Post

                                      This is such a dumb and overplayed comment. There are way more Broncos fans at Chiefs Planet than KC fans here. Some that post all day long every day.
                                      Yet here you are.

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