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**OmegaBronco** · 09-13-2022, 08:58 PM

There has to be accountability at all levels.

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by OmegaBronco

There has to be accountability at all levels.

Accountability is always needed. Kicking and screaming , laying on your back , throwing a fit is not.

**OmegaBronco** · 09-13-2022, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by quoydogs

Accountability is always needed. Kicking and screaming , laying on your back , throwing a fit is not.

It's the way they lost. It's like WTF is going on? The HC can't be that dam dumb. Guess he is.

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by OmegaBronco

It's the way they lost. It's like WTF is going on? The HC can't be that dam dumb. Guess he is.

He is a Rookie head coach. It was a huge mistake.

He's not dumb , he's not a bust he's a rookie.

He also admitted it was a mistake.

Bottom line if he makes that kick, none of this talk is on the board and he is a hero.

**OmegaBronco** · 09-13-2022, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by quoydogs

He is a Rookie head coach. It was a huge mistake.

He's not dumb , he's not a bust he's a rookie.

He also admitted it was a mistake.

Bottom line if he makes that kick, none of this talk is on the board and he is a hero.

No, he's starting off as dumb. He's got to prove it. As of now, dude is lost!

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by OmegaBronco

No, he's starting off as dumb. He's got to prove it. As of now, dude is lost!

Do you need some wine with that ?

I'm pretty sure you dont become a head coach of the NFL if you're dumb.

20 bucks says Roger's would have loved to have him back.

**OmegaBronco** · 09-13-2022, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by quoydogs

Do you need some wine with that ?

I'm pretty sure you dont become a head coach of the NFL if you're dumb.

20 bucks says Roger's would have loved to have him back.

I rather read complaints than your outdated jabs.

**Aztec Bronco** · 09-13-2022, 09:30 PM

Good post, Quoydogs.

And of course it’s immediately followed up by someone who wants to complain about the same shit we’re complaining about in 10 other threads.

**BroncoLifer** · 09-13-2022, 09:48 PM

You make many good points but the issue for me is that Hackett now has the onus to prove he's not galactically stupid, all because of the final minute of the game.

I did some back of the envelope calculations and I figure I've watched around 2,500 NFL games since turning 18, and about the same number of college games. And what he did at the end of the game Monday ranks as probably the very stupidest thing I've seen in those 5,000 or so games.

And not only in purely analytical terms but also in creating the fallout from taking the ball out the hands of the QB who became available for trade in the first place primarily out of his dissatisfaction from not being allowed to cook.

I'm sure that the goal line problems can be addressed and getting the playcalls in can be done faster, etc. But I worry that there's no cure for stupid and I saw stupid in the last minute Monday.

I hope wrong because I love the Broncos and always will. But in my business career I have fired people for lack of judgment that I think less egregious than what Hackett did.

And regardless of the rest, that's the elephant in the room.

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by BroncoLifer

You make many good points but the issue for me is that Hackett now has the onus to prove he's not galactically stupid, all because of the final minute of the game.

I did some back of the envelope calculations and I figure I've watched around 2,500 NFL games since turning 18, and about the same number of college games. And what he did at the end of the game Monday ranks as probably the very stupidest thing I've seen in those 5,000 or so games.

And not only in purely analytical terms but also in creating the fallout from taking the ball out the hands of the QB who became available for trade in the first place primarily out of his dissatisfaction from not being allowed to cook.

I'm sure that the goal line problems can be addressed and getting the playcalls in can be done faster, etc. But I worry that there's no cure for stupid and I saw stupid in the last minute Monday.

I hope wrong because I love the Broncos and always will. But in my business career I have fired people for lack of judgment that I think less egregious than what Hackett did.

And regardless of the rest, that's the elephant in the room.

Don't get me wrong the field goal was stupid, but there have been worse plays.

Wilson was off. It was too much. You could see it in his face. I think Hackett knew that and went for what he thought was the safer bet. McManus bangs those all the time in practice.

I even made a post on not understanding how he came to that decision. I truly don't get it. However I as i stated before. He's a rookie. I'm sure this was one hell of a game for him as well. Can you imagine the pressure of all the blame of an NFL team on your shoulders for the first time.

We are leaps and bounds ahead of last year when it comes to coaching. I wasn't able to tell the play . I liked that.

It's only going to better and I'm gonna enjoy the ride.

Go Broncos

**manchambo** · 09-13-2022, 09:59 PM

As for coaching, when is the last time you saw Denver make great adjustments at half? You did last night—D locked Seattle down and the offensive moved the ball at will.

**wolf754life** · 09-13-2022, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by BroncoLifer

You make many good points but the issue for me is that Hackett now has the onus to prove he's not galactically stupid, all because of the final minute of the game.

I did some back of the envelope calculations and I figure I've watched around 2,500 NFL games since turning 18, and about the same number of college games. And what he did at the end of the game Monday ranks as probably the very stupidest thing I've seen in those 5,000 or so games.

And not only in purely analytical terms but also in creating the fallout from taking the ball out the hands of the QB who became available for trade in the first place primarily out of his dissatisfaction from not being allowed to cook.

I'm sure that the goal line problems can be addressed and getting the playcalls in can be done faster, etc. But I worry that there's no cure for stupid and I saw stupid in the last minute Monday.

I hope wrong because I love the Broncos and always will. But in my business career I have fired people for lack of judgment that I think less egregious than what Hackett did.

And regardless of the rest, that's the elephant in the room.

F A C T S against the H A C. K

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by manchambo

As for coaching, when is the last time you saw Denver make great adjustments at half? You did last night—D locked Seattle down and the offensive moved the ball at will.

This. I mean it's fine to be upset and call players and coaches out. This board has gone way way beyond this.

**OmegaBronco** · 09-13-2022, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by quoydogs

This. I mean it's fine to be upset and call players and coaches out. This board has gone way way beyond this.

Manchambo has had some interesting thoughts about the FG attempt today. LOL.

**DD55** · 09-13-2022, 10:10 PM

Kubiak tried one of those FG when Denver was tied and time on the clock. He handed KC the win of course.

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 10:16 PM

McManus is a great kicker but he's over there every game saying I got this . Put me in and almost to a fit stage sometimes. Now I'm not passing blame and a coach that listens to that could be problemsome but I chalk it up to a rookie mistake. If i made that mistake i might come out and say. Looking back on that , we definitely should have gone for it.

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 10:25 PM

Oh and how are we not talking about JJ. He did have a bad drop but man that TD was a thing of beauty. He was playing straight up all out.

**R8R H8R** · 09-13-2022, 10:29 PM

The first thing a great leader does when he blows it, he admits his folly, and falls on the proverbial sword by not blaming others. The 2nd thing is to correct his mistakes, and vow to hold himself & the entire team accountable for their mistakes.

Hackett has done the first step. Now he has to start doing the next step if he wants to coach this team next year. I’m blinded by orange & blue glasses, I admit it, but I fully expect the team to rebound in a big way next Sunday.

Most of the issues on offense were because guys couldn’t hear the play call that Russell was checking to at the line. Yes, Russell has a long leash in checking to another call much like Peyton did.

That does not get perfected overnight. It took Peyton years to get that down to a science, so I think it was a mistake by Hackett not practicing that in Buffalo where it’s another hostile environment. Also, they should have simplified it for this game with hand signals, and Russ should’ve insisted on it.

But they’re at home on Sunday, and they can let it rip all they want.

**R8R H8R** · 09-13-2022, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by quoydogs

McManus is a great kicker but he's over there every game saying I got this . Put me in and almost to a fit stage sometimes. Now I'm not passing blame and a coach that listens to that could be problemsome but I chalk it up to a rookie mistake. If i made that mistake i might come out and say. Looking back on that , we definitely should have gone for it.

Yes, most of these mistakes are rookie mistakes. Fortunately, this blunder came early in the season, and not at the end when it costs you a playoff game like Brandon Staley (chargers) did last year against the chefs & raiders. The mistakes he was making was waaay worse than what Hackett did, and he did them at the absolute worse time of the season.

**Zerovoltz** · 09-13-2022, 10:53 PM

I think there is an important distinction to make between all the bad stuff that happened prior to the last minute of the game, and then the bad stuff that happened with 1 minute left to go.

The first batch of stuff, was alot of player error, rust from lack of practice together, loud crowd noise, and so on. There was alot of that, and perhaps some of those issues might have been avoided with some pre season reps. That is debatable for sure. Some of that might have been avoided if emotions and crowd noise weren't such a factor...and certainly some of it could have been avoided with better choices by the coach. Those are all things that certainly are up for debate and for wich the head coach is ultimately accountable for. And part of that debate is deciding how much of it was first time HC mistakes, and so on. Thats fine and those discussions are worth having.

The part that compounds all the bad stuff that happened in the first 59 minutes, is the final minute disaster. All of the other problems, you could easily chalk up to week 1 wierdness, 2 goal line fumbles is an extremely rare occurrence...pre season rust and so on. You might still be upset that your coach(s) didn't perform well to start things off but be hopeful that these things happens, rookie mistakes happen and so on. But, Hackett completely lost his mind in the last minute. I don't know how else to put it. That final minute casts a big shadow of doubt about him that is going to be hard to undo. AND....there is no way privately that Wilson and his people, are taking this well at all. No way. They are going to move forward and work on fixing this, but this game is something like "strike one" so to speak for Russ and Hackett. To many more coaching screw ups and you'll have a broken QB/Coach dynamic. That would be a disaster. We'll see how things go. The response to all this in the next few games will be interesting to watch.

**gunns** · 09-13-2022, 11:22 PM

I have been a Bronco fan since 1970. The first 3 years were debacles but in 1973 Denver had it's first winning season. Since then Denver did not have 2 consecutive losing years until 2016. Since then it's been like the first 3 seasons I watched.

I was so excited to finally have a competitive year and then last night happened. Yes, I was angry that my expectations had not been met and I stated it. I figure I had the right. I have since thought more positively about the situation, mostly stuff that has already been stated. That was mostly because I needed to because last night was much like the Jacksonville game as far as emotions, not because anyone else thought I shouldn't be allowed to be angry. For the sake of myself and the team I look forward to improvement, but it will be with trepidation because that's what the team earned last night. So don't tell me how I should or should not respond.

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Zerovoltz

I think there is an important distinction to make between all the bad stuff that happened prior to the last minute of the game, and then the bad stuff that happened with 1 minute left to go.

The first batch of stuff, was alot of player error, rust from lack of practice together, loud crowd noise, and so on. There was alot of that, and perhaps some of those issues might have been avoided with some pre season reps. That is debatable for sure. Some of that might have been avoided if emotions and crowd noise weren't such a factor...and certainly some of it could have been avoided with better choices by the coach. Those are all things that certainly are up for debate and for wich the head coach is ultimately accountable for. And part of that debate is deciding how much of it was first time HC mistakes, and so on. Thats fine and those discussions are worth having.

The part that compounds all the bad stuff that happened in the first 59 minutes, is the final minute disaster. All of the other problems, you could easily chalk up to week 1 wierdness, 2 goal line fumbles is an extremely rare occurrence...pre season rust and so on. You might still be upset that your coach(s) didn't perform well to start things off but be hopeful that these things happens, rookie mistakes happen and so on. But, Hackett completely lost his mind in the last minute. I don't know how else to put it. That final minute casts a big shadow of doubt about him that is going to be hard to undo. AND....there is no way privately that Wilson and his people, are taking this well at all. No way. They are going to move forward and work on fixing this, but this game is something like "strike one" so to speak for Russ and Hackett. To many more coaching screw ups and you'll have a broken QB/Coach dynamic. That would be a disaster. We'll see how things go. The response to all this in the next few games will be interesting to watch.

Again I'm not denying the field goal was a mistake. However to call it completely losing his mind ?

RW3 was emotional. They were having problems getting the play calling right all night. You have a kicker that makes that kick more times then not in practice.

Again mistake yes. Out of his mind is the exact over reaction I'm talking about.

**go_broncos** · 09-13-2022, 11:39 PM

Everyone was excited as we finally have a QB. What did our coach do?.. trust kicker instead of Wilson.

This loss will haunt if we don't reach playoffs. if that happens, i believe the new owner might fire GM and the coaching staff.

**quoydogs** · 09-13-2022, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by go_broncos

Everyone was excited as we finally have a QB. What did our coach do?.. trust kicker instead of Wilson.

This loss will haunt if we don't reach playoffs. if that happens, i believe the new owner might fire GM and the coaching staff.

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