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**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 08:34 AM

This is breaking out country wide. And this guy won the election with the most votes in history? Lol, right.

**spdirty** · 10-28-2021, 08:48 AM

It’s cute, but wasted energy IMO. I really don’t see the point.

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by spdirty View Post

It’s cute, but wasted energy IMO. I really don’t see the point.

I’m not sure viral has a point. It’s just something that catches on. It does say something about the view of the current regime.

**spdirty** · 10-28-2021, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

I’m not sure viral has a point. It’s just something that catches on. It does say something about the view of the current regime.

Well, my thing is, they stole the election, https://hereistheevidence.com and stole the country, being more tyrannical each day, ****ing everything up, and what are we doing about it?

Doing chants at football games. And memes. Frankly, shit like this makes me think the right deserves what’s coming. Because we let it happen and did nothing more than break a few windows, steal a podium, and turn on each other to save our own asses, and blame antifa for it. The right definitely deserves it.

**OmegaBronco** · 10-28-2021, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by spdirty View Post

Well, my thing is, they stole the election, https://hereistheevidence.com and stole the country, being more tyrannical each day, ****ing everything up, and what are we doing about it?

Doing chants at football games. And memes. Frankly, shit like this makes me think the right deserves what’s coming. Because we let it happen and did nothing more than break a few windows, steal a podium, and turn on each other to save our own asses, and blame antifa for it. The right definitely deserves it.

Can't break out the cannons yet.

But little things can build.

**spdirty** · 10-28-2021, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by OmegaBronco View Post

Can't break out the cannons yet.

But little things can build.

I know. And I know the Revolution was a slow slow slow build, and that King George was the biggest motivational force behind it, but….we can’t win now. We had our chance and we cucked out last January. You can’t organize anything anymore. The feds have glowies everywhere. So best to just get as far away from anywhere they care about, and whatever’s going to happen, just let it happen.

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by spdirty View Post

Well, my thing is, they stole the election, https://hereistheevidence.com and stole the country, being more tyrannical each day, ****ing everything up, and what are we doing about it?

Doing chants at football games. And memes. Frankly, shit like this makes me think the right deserves what’s coming. Because we let it happen and did nothing more than break a few windows, steal a podium, and turn on each other to save our own asses, and blame antifa for it. The right definitely deserves it.

Biggest problem is not the other side, it’s the so called conservatives who sell themselves as one thing and then do something else in office.

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by OmegaBronco View Post

Can't break out the cannons yet.

But little things can build.

2nd is in place for a reason. Our fathers saw a day in the future.

**Blueflame** · 10-28-2021, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

2nd is in place for a reason. Our fathers saw a day in the future.

Our forefathers believed slavery was A-ok too -- many of the key builders of American government owned slaves. They absolutely did not view black people as equals and in fact only allowed white male land owners to vote. But they gave the Constitution flexibility to be amended as society changed.

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 03:25 PM

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

Our forefathers believed slavery was A-ok too -- many of the key builders of American government owned slaves. They absolutely did not view black people as equals and in fact only allowed white male land owners to vote. But they gave the Constitution flexibility to be amended as society changed.

So if you can find fault or sin in a man then you can then adapt, cancel or revise to your liking?

Does that apply to the Bible?

**Blueflame** · 10-28-2021, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

So if you can find fault or sin in a man then you can then adapt, cancel or revise to your liking?

Does that apply to the Bible?

The Constitution was written with the knowledge that society will change and thus, the authors (such as James Madison) included allowances for government changing along with the times (Constitutional Amendments; of which 2A is one). If they had not, black people would still be slaves and only white male landowners would be allowed to vote.

Many people do, in fact, apply such a concept to the Bible -- one of the primary examples is cherry-picking which Scriptures to heed and which ones to disregard.

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

The Constitution was written with the knowledge that society will change and thus, the authors (such as James Madison) included allowances for government changing along with the times (Constitutional Amendments; of which 2A is one). If they had not, black people would still be slaves and only white male landowners would be allowed to vote.

Many people do, in fact, apply such a concept to the Bible -- one of the primary examples is cherry-picking which Scriptures to heed and which ones to disregard.

If we give ourselves such license nothing can stand. All men sin. Therefore you could change anything. This would then be relative truth, which is no truth at all. Or, simply make you god, small ‘g’.

**Blueflame** · 10-28-2021, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

If we give ourselves such license nothing can stand. All men sin. Therefore you could change anything. This would then be relative truth, which is no truth at all. Or, simply make you god, small ‘g’.

One has to allow for changes regarding a national Constitution. The government would not have survived for more than two centuries if they had not. Times change and social attitudes change -- such as realizing that slavery is wrong and that female humans and humans with a different skin color are sentient human beings deserving of basic human rights too.

As for the Bible, it warns against changing or amending Scripture.

"Relative truth" -- why do you think some of us objected so strenuously to being told (by an official government spokesperson!!) that such a thing as "alternative facts" exist? You're right -- Kellyanne's words were "no truth at all". And most politicians do want to be a "god, small 'g'".

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

One has to allow for changes regarding a national Constitution. The government would not have survived for more than two centuries if they had not. Times change and social attitudes change -- such as realizing that slavery is wrong and that female humans and humans with a different skin color are sentient human beings deserving of basic human rights too.

As for the Bible, it warns against changing or amending Scripture.

"Relative truth" -- why do you think some of us objected so strenuously to being told (by an official government spokesperson!!) that such a thing as "alternative facts" exist? You're right -- Kellyanne's words were "no truth at all". And most politicians do want to be a "god, small 'g'".

You and I are discussing two sets of what we believe are ‘facts’. What we agree on is that Jesus is the truth (and has the truth).

We may disagree, but I think you are great BF.

**Blueflame** · 10-28-2021, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

You and I are discussing two sets of what we believe are ‘facts’. What we agree on is that Jesus is the truth (and has the truth).

We may disagree, but I think you are great BF.

The U.S. Constitution and the Bible are two very, very different things.

The Constitution of necessity must have a means of adapting to changing societal needs. So many things in the world have changed since 1776 and the rules for government must be capable of changing too. One cannot apply the same "rules" from 1776 to citizens of 2021 --

The key to polite disagreement in political discussions is to refrain from launching personal vitriol -- it is possible to remain friends despite a significant difference in political perspective. Civility and respect need to be maintained.

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

The U.S. Constitution and the Bible are two very, very different things.

The Constitution of necessity must have a means of adapting to changing societal needs. So many things in the world have changed since 1776 and the rules for government must be capable of changing too. One cannot apply the same "rules" from 1776 to citizens of 2021 --

The key to polite disagreement in political discussions is to refrain from launching personal vitriol -- it is possible to remain friends despite a significant difference in political perspective. Civility and respect need to be maintained.

Our forefathers has great insight & foresight. Tyranny was never going away until Jesus redeems us. Thus, 2nd amendment. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom to gather...

These are things that are timeless.

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 08:35 PM

**spdirty** · 10-28-2021, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

Biggest problem is not the other side, it’s the so called conservatives who sell themselves as one thing and then do something else in office.

Yeah, and who’s electing them? And re-electing them?

**Shellback88** · 10-28-2021, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by spdirty View Post

Yeah, and who’s electing them? And re-electing them?

Not me

**Blueflame** · 10-29-2021, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

Our forefathers has great insight & foresight. Tyranny was never going away until Jesus redeems us. Thus, 2nd amendment. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom to gather...

These are things that are timeless.

The Bible teaches that this is true but it has absolutely, positively nothing to do with the Constitution, the Founding Fathers or the 2nd Amendment. Long before anyone even knew the New World existed (or, obviously, America or its Constitution) Jesus said things will get very bad in the last days and that if He did not return no one would survive.

Christians need to stop focusing on American politics and think instead about doing the things Jesus said to do (love the Lord thy God and love thy neighbor). The churches are not doing that right now because they're too invested in "prosperity gospel" and political activism. And Jesus also told us that would happen.

Joel Osteen has the money to do a lot of good for the less fortunate. But then again, he might "need" another private jet. Jesus wept.

**Shellback88** · 10-29-2021, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

The Bible teaches that this is true but it has absolutely, positively nothing to do with the Constitution, the Founding Fathers or the 2nd Amendment. Long before anyone even knew the New World existed (or, obviously, America or its Constitution) Jesus said things will get very bad in the last days and that if He did not return no one would survive.

Christians need to stop focusing on American politics and think instead about doing the things Jesus said to do (love the Lord thy God and love thy neighbor). The churches are not doing that right now because they're too invested in "prosperity gospel" and political activism. And Jesus also told us that would happen.

Joel Osteen has the money to do a lot of good for the less fortunate. But then again, he might "need" another private jet. Jesus wept.

That’s what wheat & tares are BF. Tares look just like wheat, until harvest time. Then it’s easy to differentiate. Wheat bows it’s head and tares remain ‘stiff necked’.

Matthew 13:24-30
Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

²⁴Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;²⁵but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. ²⁶But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. ²⁷So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ ²⁸He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ ²⁹But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. ³⁰Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

**Blueflame** · 10-29-2021, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by Shellback88 View Post

That’s what wheat & tares are BF. Tares look just like wheat, until harvest time. Then it’s easy to differentiate. Wheat bows it’s head and tares remain ‘stiff necked’.

Matthew 13:24-30
Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

²⁴Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;²⁵but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. ²⁶But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. ²⁷So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ ²⁸He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ ²⁹But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. ³⁰Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

Well, yeah -- this is true. So are guys like Franklin Graham and Joel Osteen who preach the prosperity gospel -- are they wheat or tares going by your understanding of the Bible? Your answer will probably be that judging is up to God (and it is) but "by their fruits shall ye know them", right?

**Shellback88** · 10-29-2021, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Blueflame View Post

Well, yeah -- this is true. So are guys like Franklin Graham and Joel Osteen who preach the prosperity gospel -- are they wheat or tares going by your understanding of the Bible? Your answer will probably be that judging is up to God (and it is) but "by their fruits shall ye know them", right?

Osteen? Yes, I agree.

Franklin Graham is a good man and preacher. He’s definitely not a prosperity gospel preacher IMO. Feel free to show a specific instance.

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