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  • The WAY TOO EARLY '23 Free Agent Talk

    Chubb
    Reed
    Risner
    Dre'Mont Jones
    Bassey

    And quite a few others, Gordon, Boone, and Anderson are more of the notable few. But this thread could be a conversation about the want to/need to see type things/stats out of those first 5 (IMO are the highest demand for us to sign or let go), for the FO to consider extending second contracts to these guys.

    I'll start. Chubb has to have a MASSIVE season. All-Pro level. Otherwise, the same ol talk of "I have to be better," it's all BS. I for one, wouldnt mind seeing him go if he's not performing at a high caliber level.

    Reed. Simple. Resign him now.

    Risner. Needs to be more of a stable and consistent blocker. Needs to make a Boles type leap.

    Dre'Mont. Keep doing what he's doing. With the help at edge this year, I'd like to see his sack numbers and pressures go up, which i think they will, but I'd say he's a lock to get another offer from us.

    Bassey. I think he has the ability to be a good second team CB. Needs to stay healthy and make the roster and be consistent. He's dealt with adversity pretty well so far, keep it up and maybe he can be a second team guy at little cost.

    What are everyone's thoughts? And if i missed anyone that should be on the list, tell me. But I like to look at the season and know what we should be expecting the hungry players looking for a decent pay raise.


  • #2
    Sign Sloter.

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    • #3
      Gonna be tough to re-sign either Chubb or Dre’Mont if they have breakout seasons, and I wouldn’t feel great investing much in Chubb with the injury history. I guess they could franchise Dre’Mont if he has a Chris Jones kind of explosion.

      I actually think Reed gets moved before the season and wouldn’t be shocked if Risner is too.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Aztec Bronco View Post
        Gonna be tough to re-sign either Chubb or Dre’Mont if they have breakout seasons, and I wouldn’t feel great investing much in Chubb with the injury history. I guess they could franchise Dre’Mont if he has a Chris Jones kind of explosion.

        I actually think Reed gets moved before the season and wouldn’t be shocked if Risner is too.
        I think Dre'Mont will. I dont think Chubb will. Chubb is damaged goods at this point. I think he's afraid of contact and wants to dance around. If Reed gets moved, I hope it's for a decent chunk.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jessefitts87 View Post

          I think Dre'Mont will. I dont think Chubb will. Chubb is damaged goods at this point. I think he's afraid of contact and wants to dance around. If Reed gets moved, I hope it's for a decent chunk.
          I’d think something close to the Trinity Benson trade. Definitely a useful player but with Bonitto, Browning and Cooper it’s a crowded room.

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          • #6
            I don't know - I personally think Chubb is going to have a stellar year.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BroncoJoe View Post
              I don't know - I personally think Chubb is going to have a stellar year.
              I think so too. He had a great rookie season.....and then Fangio came on board. He didn't know how to use Von or Chubb. Yes Chubb has had injuries but hopefully he can be back and play like his rookie season with proper coaching.

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              • #8
                Dre'Mont Jones and nobody else matters.

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                • #9
                  Chubb-all depends on this season. Injury history is concerning. Need to see more production in a different scheme.

                  Reed-Too inconsistent. I don’t see the team wanting to re-sign him, unless he has a breakout season.

                  Risner-major disappointment since his rookie season. I think he’s weak at the point of attack. Waiting to see if the outside zone is a better fit for him.

                  Dre'Mont Jones-Very much worth re-signing, if upward trajectory continues.

                  Bassey-backup level talent and may not even make this year’s roster.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Aztec Bronco View Post
                    Gonna be tough to re-sign either Chubb or Dre’Mont if they have breakout seasons, and I wouldn’t feel great investing much in Chubb with the injury history. I guess they could franchise Dre’Mont if he has a Chris Jones kind of explosion.

                    I actually think Reed gets moved before the season and wouldn’t be shocked if Risner is too.
                    I heard Risner was being shopped around before the draft but nobody offered more than a 6th rd pick. This staff loves Muti and would most likely replace Risner with him, may even happen this season with Risner still on the team

                    Anywho The only player on the OP’s list that is worth paying would be DreMont Jones. At this point I don’t see anybody else on that list that will be on this team in 2023 and the majority of them could be gone before the season even starts.

                    With Bonitto, Griffin and Cooper there’s a lot of young talent and depth at the pass rush. Gregory will be here but Chubb and Reed should feel like they’re on notice!
                    Last edited by Sam; 07-01-2022, 07:32 AM.

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                    • #11
                      I think let the season play out and then see who and where we spend out valuable cap money.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gunns View Post

                        I think so too. He had a great rookie season.....and then Fangio came on board. He didn't know how to use Von or Chubb. Yes Chubb has had injuries but hopefully he can be back and play like his rookie season with proper coaching.
                        Chubb did have a great rookie year. And I dont think it's fair to say it was Fangio that didnt use him. If you look at 2020's numbers for Chubb, he only played 14 games, but finished near his rookie numbers on most categories...except actually finishing through on the sacks. I like tackles for loss and QB pressures, but he needs to finish through when in the back field and make that second or third move to get on the QB. He seems to get back there and kind of wait around if he doesnt have a direct path. Just what I've noticed.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OBF1 View Post
                          I think let the season play out and then see who and where we spend out valuable cap money.
                          That's a very middle of the road reply. You dont have any opinion on what you would like to see happen?

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                          • #14
                            Jones the only one worth keeping.


                            Chubb has been and will be a bust again this year. Goes down sometime in TC or september to injury.


                            lmao at blaming Fangio. Somehow “didn’t use Chubb” right…..yet other players played well(considering they weren’t 1st round talent) in the same position.

                            That’s the same line of thinking that Jeudy sucked because he didn’t have a QB……yet Patrick payed himself into a nice contract with the same QBs.

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                            • jessefitts87
                              jessefitts87 commented
                              Editing a comment
                              I've almost become numb to the bullshit that Chubb does each offseason..."I've got to be better. I will be better. This is unacceptable." Fool me once. He's got to feel the pressure knowing they haven't committed to him past this year.

                          • #15
                            Originally posted by The1percentKid View Post
                            Jones the only one worth keeping.


                            Chubb has been and will be a bust again this year. Goes down sometime in TC or september to injury.


                            lmao at blaming Fangio. Somehow “didn’t use Chubb” right…..yet other players played well(considering they weren’t 1st round talent) in the same position.

                            That’s the same line of thinking that Jeudy sucked because he didn’t have a QB……yet Patrick payed himself into a nice contract with the same QBs.
                            I’m not ready to give up on Jeudy yet from what I saw, Teddy would move away from
                            him way too fast considering that Schurmur never designed a play longer than 10 yards for him. Really we’re there any looks for Jeudy beyond 10 yards?

                            Lock couldn’t read the defense fast enough to get to Jeudy.

                            Yeah Tim played himself into a nice contract but it does have some to do with the designed plays by schurmur.
                            Last edited by Sam; 07-01-2022, 12:35 PM.

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                            • #16
                              Originally posted by Sam View Post

                              I’m not ready to give up on Jeudy yet from what I saw, Teddy would move away from
                              him way too fast considering that Schurmur never designed a play longer than 10 yards for him. Really we’re there any looks for Jeudy beyond 10 yards?

                              Lock couldn’t read the defense fast enough to get to Jeudy.

                              Yeah Tim played himself into a nice contract but it does have some to do with the designed plays by schurmur.
                              I would have been ok with us trading Jeudy away stead of a couple of those picks for Wilson. You say Shurmur didnt design plays for Jeudy, but when the ball came to him, did he even catch it? No. So, what's the point in throwing to a crybaby who doesnt catch? And the reason Tim got career highs is because he wasnt afraid of contact, played through the ball and played hard. Jeudy, in the immortal words, tried to "ole that shit" like Roger Dorn did.

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                              • #17
                                Originally posted by jessefitts87 View Post

                                I would have been ok with us trading Jeudy away stead of a couple of those picks for Wilson. You say Shurmur didnt design plays for Jeudy, but when the ball came to him, did he even catch it? No. So, what's the point in throwing to a crybaby who doesnt catch? And the reason Tim got career highs is because he wasnt afraid of contact, played through the ball and played hard. Jeudy, in the immortal words, tried to "ole that shit" like Roger Dorn did.
                                OK - the Roger Dorn reference made me laugh.

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                                • #18
                                  Jeudy's catch rate was better than Patrick's last year.

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                                  • #19
                                    If they wanted Chubb long term one season shouldn’t be the barometer for his contract. Too many times teams get the rope a dope from one season then that player goes back to who he is. Like Bolles did.

                                    Jones should be in the cards but sign him earlier….wait until he has a great season this year and the price tag will be much higher.

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                                    • #20
                                      Originally posted by jessefitts87 View Post

                                      Chubb did have a great rookie year. And I dont think it's fair to say it was Fangio that didnt use him. If you look at 2020's numbers for Chubb, he only played 14 games, but finished near his rookie numbers on most categories...except actually finishing through on the sacks. I like tackles for loss and QB pressures, but he needs to finish through when in the back field and make that second or third move to get on the QB. He seems to get back there and kind of wait around if he doesnt have a direct path. Just what I've noticed.
                                      Could be but when I saw how poorly Fangio used Von I suspect that's what happened with Chubb. If he doesn't significantly improve I have no problem with not resigning him.

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                                      • #21
                                        Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                                        Jeudy's catch rate was better than Patrick's last year.

                                        He should…he’s a top 15 pick. Patrick isn’t.


                                        how about all other stats? will take Jeudy 5 years to get as many TDs Patrick got in 2021.

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                                        • #22
                                          Originally posted by Requiem View Post
                                          Jeudy's catch rate was better than Patrick's last year.
                                          Patrick had more targets, more catches, and a higher yard per reception than Jeudy as well. I know Jeudy was injured, so 2 of those numbers dont much matter, unless you want to get into the argument about being able to be on the field. We can also argue about a 5% lower catch rate and a higher YPR being a catch 22 to a higher catch rate and lower YPR.

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                                          • #23
                                            OK. Go and argue about it. Lol.

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                                            • #24
                                              If Chubb plays 8 games I'll be shocked...

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                                              • #25
                                                Originally posted by jessefitts87 View Post

                                                I would have been ok with us trading Jeudy away stead of a couple of those picks for Wilson. You say Shurmur didnt design plays for Jeudy, but when the ball came to him, did he even catch it? No. So, what's the point in throwing to a crybaby who doesnt catch? And the reason Tim got career highs is because he wasnt afraid of contact, played through the ball and played hard. Jeudy, in the immortal words, tried to "ole that shit" like Roger Dorn did.
                                                Jeudy s only knock is that he’s a diva that doesn’t seem to understand that he has to play physical, in time he’ll get it.

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